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    A zoom into the barely imaginable and entirely avoidable misery this latest experiment in collectivism has inflicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    A zoom into the barely imaginable and entirely avoidable misery this latest experiment in collectivism has inflicted.

    There is a kind of fake Venezuela being portrayed in the press. A country where people are starving, millions leaving, the children dying of malnutrition, with a population cowering in fear of an oppressive dictator.
    And yet, the journalists are free to report, the doctors ( this one is a regular shilling for the opposition) can voice their frustration, the National Assembly has an opposition majority, the press are free to report whatever they want and the internet is open to all.
    Macdonalds in the main streets, markets full of fruit and veg, meat, fish.
    There are large social housing projects, where once there were tin shacks and open sewers. There are schools, where once the children were left illiterate and abused.
    Despite reports that the people are in revolutionary mode, taking to the streets to chase the government from office, the cities seem calm, and most people seem to be regarding the self proclaimed president with unconcealed contempt. His call for war, for military intervention is putting lots of people off.
    It may well be time for the Chavistas to go into opposition , but I think they are rightly concerned, that should a right wing, american backed coup overthrow them, it will also end the programmes which have helped their supporters. These Venezuelans, the slum dwellers, the indigenous peoples, the previously disenfranchised will be chased back to their poverty hell holes.

    Meanwhile, in Haiti, an american backed president is being chased from office. The people are on the streets, they are burning down the symbols of a hated govt. Yet no reports, no specials from Newsnight, no calls for this president to go, for fair elections to be run.
    Ironically, the Haitians are using as an example of the american lead corruption, the generosity of the Venezuelan govt. The Chavistas gave the poverty ridden country a deal on petrol, which could be paid back, at extremely low interest, over a 30 year period. It was supposed to free up govt money to help rebuild the devestated infrastrucure. Of course the yankee cronies pocketed the money themselves and will, no doubt, fly off to their Miami rest homes in the next few days.

    I'm sure the western press, and the western govts will be equally vociferous in their calls for freedom and democracy in Haiti.

    Haitians Want to Know What the Government Has Done with Missing Oil Money | The New Yorker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    A zoom into the barely imaginable and entirely avoidable misery this latest experiment in collectivism has inflicted.

    A bit like Greece after the imposition of Troika austerity - capitalism really sucks (particularly when US Imperialism and the Venezuelan oligarchs are manipulating the supply of medicine).
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    A bit like Greece after the imposition of Troika austerity - capitalism really sucks (particularly when US Imperialism and the Venezuelan oligarchs are manipulating the supply of medicine).
    The socialist Maduro/Chavez clans are the oligarchs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstar 62 View Post
    The socialist Maduro/Chavez clans are the oligarchs....
    Says the poster who thinks nurses are scum and tries to justify shooting a boy in the face by calling him a savage.
    Support the nurses strike

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    Despite reports that the people are in revolutionary mode, taking to the streets to chase the government from office, the cities seem calm, and most people seem to be regarding the self proclaimed president with unconcealed contempt.
    You're talking about 11% of Venezuelans. The "self proclaimed" president has the support of 81% of the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    His call for war, for military intervention is putting lots of people off.
    Let's hope the situation is resolved with as little harm to people as is possible. He didn't call for war though. He called on the military to get behind the vast majority of their countrymen.


    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    It may well be time for the Chavistas to go into opposition
    Long, long past time.

    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    , but I think they are rightly concerned, that should a right wing, american backed coup overthrow them, it will also end the programmes which have helped their supporters. These Venezuelans, the slum dwellers, the indigenous peoples, the previously disenfranchised will be chased back to their poverty hell holes.
    Let's hope not.

    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    Meanwhile, in Haiti, an american backed president is being chased from office. The people are on the streets, they are burning down the symbols of a hated govt. Yet no reports, no specials from Newsnight, no calls for this president to go, for fair elections to be run.
    Ironically, the Haitians are using as an example of the american lead corruption, the generosity of the Venezuelan govt. The Chavistas gave the poverty ridden country a deal on petrol, which could be paid back, at extremely low interest, over a 30 year period. It was supposed to free up govt money to help rebuild the devestated infrastrucure. Of course the yankee cronies pocketed the money themselves and will, no doubt, fly off to their Miami rest homes in the next few days.

    I'm sure the western press, and the western govts will be equally vociferous in their calls for freedom and democracy in Haiti.

    Haitians Want to Know What the Government Has Done with Missing Oil Money | The New Yorker
    Haiti is a basket case. It's hard to see how the place will ever see good governance. Is it your position then that the US deliberately installed cronies in Haiti so that they could get their hands on Haiti's famously vast wealth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    A bit like Greece after the imposition of Troika austerity - capitalism really sucks (particularly when US Imperialism and the Venezuelan oligarchs are manipulating the supply of medicine).
    Wow. You've really got the tinfoil on today. "US Imperialism" and the Maduro regime are manipulating the supply of medicine? I'm beginning to think you're not just an extremist; you're an out-and-out crackpot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Says the poster who thinks nurses are scum and tries to justify shooting a boy in the face by calling him a savage.
    You always take something someone said - and then twist it into a lying smear.

    You are beneath contempt, and clearly have no answer to my post, hence your
    pile of manure....

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    Reality of Venezuela: ‘What I earn a month is not enough to buy a bottle of gas’.

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    Remember the time when Venezuela offered aid to America after Hurricane Katrina. Bush turned it down but nobody called him a dictator.

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