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    “When the whips are off, parliament has a new vitality” Peter Richards, Political historian,

    Regardless of his motivation, Michael Martin has made a decision today that should become the Fianna Fáil position on all issues of conscience into the future. As we have seen in similar parliaments in the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand the parliament comes alive when the whip system is removed. Party leaders allowing members to vote on issues of conscience (e.g. gay marriage, gambling, pornography, divorce, sale of alcohol, voting age etc etc) will allow back benchers to re-define themselves as something other than funeral attending, pot hole fillers. Many back benchers will fear being lobbied and will fear having to make a decision that will upset some of their constituents but that is something that their counterparts have to deal with in other countries.

    Enda Kenny & Eamonn Gilmore have both said that they will impose their will on all members of their political parties on the Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill which has yet again demonstrated the cowardice of both men. If your position is so strong and your bill carries so much support then please stand up on the floor of the parliament and sell your position to the members of your and other parties. The sight of TD’s who are fundamentally opposed to this bill walking through to vote yes will yet again demonstrate that our parliament is a broken entity and behind our international colleagues.

    People voted for change in the last election, they didn’t get it, they will vote for change again.

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    the spin is on

    remember dessie o'mally
    "If we VOTE YES there will be no more austere budgets. Fact " Hammer, mayday 12'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop Casey View Post
    “When the whips are off, parliament has a new vitality” Peter Richards, Political historian,

    Regardless of his motivation, Michael Martin has made a decision today that should become the Fianna Fáil position on all issues of conscience into the future. As we have seen in similar parliaments in the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand the parliament comes alive when the whip system is removed. Party leaders allowing members to vote on issues of conscience (e.g. gay marriage, gambling, pornography, divorce, sale of alcohol, voting age etc etc) will allow back benchers to re-define themselves as something other than funeral attending, pot hole fillers. Many back benchers will fear being lobbied and will fear having to make a decision that will upset some of their constituents but that is something that their counterparts have to deal with in other countries.

    Enda Kenny & Eamonn Gilmore have both said that they will impose their will on all members of their political parties on the Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill which has yet again demonstrated the cowardice of both men. If your position is so strong and your bill carries so much support then please stand up on the floor of the parliament and sell your position to the members of your and other parties. The sight of TD’s who are fundamentally opposed to this bill walking through to vote yes will yet again demonstrate that our parliament is a broken entity and behind our international colleagues.

    People voted for change in the last election, they didn’t get it, they will vote for change again.
    And they still won't get it. Partly because no two people who are not members of the same political party will agree what 'change' means.
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

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    Is it curtains for Mick Martin?

    Lets face it; he couldn't impose his will on the god fearing (probably afraid of losing the Holy Mary vote) TD's in his party
    There's a lot to be said for the fellow who doesn't say it himself. -- Maurice Switzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks View Post
    Is it curtains for Mick Martin?

    Lets face it; he couldn't impose his will on the god fearing (probably afraid of losing the Holy Mary vote) TD's in his party
    some off the hacks from here are gone off tonight to see how to spin this
    "If we VOTE YES there will be no more austere budgets. Fact " Hammer, mayday 12'

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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    And they still won't get it. Partly because no two people who are not members of the same political party will agree what 'change' means.
    Yea, I remember in the last dáil members of FG roaring and shouting about not having insufficient time to debate the finance bill as it was "guillotined" through the dáil and I see the exact same people smirking across the house now when the current opposition makes the same complaint.

    Sadly political reform will be left to the government of the day. For the life of me I don’t understand why this government, considering their majority and the closeness to retirement of so many cabinet members, don’t attempt to make the dáil relevant. So many of them spent their careers on opposition benches, they know what is wrong and have no interest in fixing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop Casey View Post
    Yea, I remember in the last dáil members of FG roaring and shouting about not having insufficient time to debate the finance bill as it was "guillotined" through the dáil and I see the exact same people smirking across the house now when the current opposition makes the same complaint.

    Sadly political reform will be left to the government of the day. For the life of me I don’t understand why this government, considering their majority and the closeness to retirement of so many cabinet members, don’t attempt to make the dáil relevant. So many of them spent their careers on opposition benches, they know what is wrong and have no interest in fixing it.
    They have heirs to consider.
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks View Post
    Is it curtains for Mick Martin?

    Lets face it; he couldn't impose his will on the god fearing (probably afraid of losing the Holy Mary vote) TD's in his party
    Yeah, because lets face it, no one's against abortion.

    Where does this site get them from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    Yeah, because lets face it, no one's against abortion.

    Where does this site get them from?
    God knows!
    There's a lot to be said for the fellow who doesn't say it himself. -- Maurice Switzer

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    Is 'conscience' going to become a new requirement for FF candidates now?

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