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    EU member states raise immigration concerns with Irish presidency - European News | Latest News from Across Europe | The Irish Times - Fri, Apr 26, 2013

    Four EU member states have written to Minister for Justice and Home Affairs Alan Shatter requesting that the free movement of workers within the European Union is discussed at June’s meeting of justice and home affairs ministers

    In a letter seen by the Irish Times the home affairs ministers of Britain, the Netherlands, Germany and Austria point out that “a significant number of new immigrants draw social assistance in the host countries, frequently without a genuine entitlement, burdening the host countries’ social welfare systems”.

    This is putting a strain on essential services in some countries, particularly in the area of schooling, healthcare and accommodation, the letter argues.

    “Arrangements at national or EU level that allow those who have only recently arrived in a member state and have never been employed or paid taxes there to claim the same social security benefits as that member state’s own citizens are an affront to common sense and ought to be reviewed urgently,” it continues.
    Only last week it was reported that a new social housing development with units costing €230K each to build(complete with high tech solar panel systems) ended up with more than half of the properties going to foreign nationals.

    Shatter has before sensibly resisted moves to allow asylum seekers to work explaining that such a move increases the numbers of people applying for asylum. What he said at the time was very interesting.

    Ireland out of step with Europe in treatment of asylum seekers - Nasc - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Tue, Apr 02, 2013
    “Extending the right to work to asylum seekers would almost certainly have a profoundly negative impact on application numbers, as was experienced in the aftermath of the July 1999 decision to do so,” he said.
    “The immediate effect of that measure was a threefold increase in the average number of applications per month leading to a figure of 1,217 applications in December 1999 compared with an average of 364 per month for the period January to July 1999.
    Any change in public policy in this area would have to have regard to the very large numbers of people unemployed in this country,” he added.
    Shatter seems to be saying here that protecting workers in Ireland is important.

    I of course am concerned with the population replacement aspects of free movement but I have also shown there are significant savings to be made from reducing the handouts to foreign unemployed people living here.

    I'm sure Minister Shatter will allow and facilitate the home secretaries throughout the EU discuss protective measures to insulate their respective working classes from wage deflation, unemployment and pressure on school and local services.
    ..the Irish nation can become other than white, by privileging the voices of the racialised and subverting state immigration but also integration policies. – Ronit Lentin

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    As a beneficiary of being allowed to move freely in a scenario where anyone else would be left sitting in a Garda station for hours awaiting test results, I would hope so......
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    If there is one thing that has become clear in the past fortnight, it is that there is a large grey unclear foggy area between what Shatter says, and what really goes on....
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    It certainly is something that should be debated freely amongst the EU member states.

    One point could be made, and that is that movers should be entitled to the level of support they would get in their own country, when they move to another.

    Is that reasonable?

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    Giving the way Shatter is giving citizenship out like confetti he is the wrong man to lead a charge on this. We need some common sense restricting benefits and deporting non nationals who commit crime here would be a sensible start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asset test View Post
    It certainly is something that should be debated freely amongst the EU member states.

    One point could be made, and that is that movers should be entitled to the level of support they would get in their own country, when they move to another.

    Is that reasonable?
    Or support until the amount you paid in tax runs out... a discussion is needed. The brits are talking about going their own way regardless. BBC News - UK faces European Court over benefits for EU nationals
    ..the Irish nation can become other than white, by privileging the voices of the racialised and subverting state immigration but also integration policies. – Ronit Lentin

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Enda Kenny's pre-GE policy to allow them to work? Certainly in 2007 I'm pretty sure it was.

    Anyway this is one promise I'm glad FG broke. Shatter is right about the need to avoid asylum being used to gain employment here. In the context of a recession Irish jobs must be protected.

    The govt should accede to the 4 countries' request for a debate on this issue. It's just a pity they didn't think of that before dreaming up freedom of movement in the first place. Nancy Pelosi, speaking on Obamacare, said 'we need to pass it to see what's in it'. The EU appear to be on something similar.
    Fair and Balanced

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    Well, how many from high SW states move to low support states? I don't have any stats, but I would imagine it is low enough.

    I'm talking about those without jobs and on good support in their own country, moving to another and claiming lower supports while jobseeking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    If there is one thing that has become clear in the past fortnight, it is that there is a large grey unclear foggy area between what Shatter says, and what really goes on....
    Heard today that a change in the EU constitution is needed before the 2014 EU elections. Schauble and Hollande also seem to agree. I wonder will Shatter try to side step the electorate now that he is standing on shaky ground. Also heard that the EU elections have been brought forward to May for some reason.

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    From a few weeks ago.
    About 400 young women are being trafficked into Ireland a year to take part in sham marriages while the Government has so far failed to close a loophole that allows the criminals organising them to go free.
    Latvia, where many of the young women come from, has said the lack of co-operation from gardaí and Irish authorities is making the job of tackling the issue very difficult. 
    Now the Council of Europe has asked Ireland to take urgent action to amend the law to include sham marriages as a form of exploitation and give the gardaí the powers they need to intervene in such cases.
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j...Zhi0xszQs-d-Wg

    Shatter in the job more than two years and the Latvian authorities and council of europe are displeased with the inaction on the sham marriage luancy in Ireland. Latvian authorities describe us as sham marriage capital of europe. So I doubt Shatter will take the topic in the OP seriously.

    Now if your looking for someone to jazz up citizenship ceremonies, roll out the red carpet, pop open the champers, dish out a ton of citizenships, rent out the convention centre, have Africa day in the splendour of Farmleigh house or just looking for African person of the year award for 2012 and yes 2013, well then Shatter is your man.

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