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Thread: Does Ireland need two political parties: left AND right?

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    Default Does Ireland need two political parties: left AND right?

    There's talk of a new political party. Plenty of talk. But there still appears to be an absence of ideology in anything which is positioning itself to be a political party.

    The key issues are:
    - what expenditure of GNP should government spending be?
    - should the State subsidise private education or support it?
    - how many tiers should our health system have? Public plus payment, medical card, private health insurance, cash/abroad?
    - what diverge should there be between public sector contracts of emit meant and the rights of those in the private sector?
    - what should put relationship be with the EU?
    - neutrality?
    - the ratio between corporate tax and income tax?
    - is it the business of government to redistribute wealth?
    - the euro?
    - united Ireland a pipedream or means to an end?
    - personal rights v common good.

    There is no political party which would divide between left/right, libertarian/conservative, 26/Republican on all of these issues.

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    We're actually lucky that in the 70's and 80's Civil War politics existed, with no Left-Right divide. Otherwise we would've seen what happened in Britain and the US.
    We have a greater degree of democracy as a result I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james5001 View Post
    We're actually lucky that in the 70's and 80's Civil War politics existed, with no Left-Right divide. Otherwise we would've seen what happened in Britain and the US.
    We have a greater degree of democracy as a result I think.
    Really? How was democracy being served by having two major parties that was on the same page on over 90% of all issues?

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    I hate the right and left or the wing brigade... it shows more about the poster who uses those boxes to try and limit other posters who disagree with them, but rather shows up their limitations and the small box they inhabit by trying to bring everybody down to their level!

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    A party that won't get themselves into debt or balloon the deficit. For this you need principled people with a keen and savvy eye when it comes to economics. Not any old crowd pleasers will do. No "one for everybody in the audience" type economics.

    A party of low tax, low spending.
    A party that doesn't criminalise victimless crimes.

    That would be a real change.
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    The Irish people are overwhelmingly centrist, hence it follows that our main political parties are centrist too.
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    The Irish people are overwhelmingly centrist, hence it follows that our main political parties are centrist too.
    I'd substitute "conservative" for "centrist". The Irish are largly conservative because they have been browbeaten by British & church rule and, as a result, many of our brightest & more adventurist have emigrated.

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    Get rid of all political parties and let people stand on their own beliefs instead of some manufactured slogans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarnivalOfAction View Post
    I'd substitute "conservative" for "centrist". The Irish are largly conservative because they have been browbeaten by British & church rule and, as a result, many of our brightest & more adventurist have emigrated.
    I agree. I think our radicals or anyone with a bit of vision get the first plane out of here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    There's talk of a new political party. Plenty of talk. But there still appears to be an absence of ideology in anything which is positioning itself to be a political party.
    The supposed new entrants to the political party scene are all process. They talk of things like creating a space for "public debate", "frameworks" for this that and the other, and in the case of Direct Democracy referendum after referendum to let the people decide. Reform is absolutely necessary but it is not anywhere near the complete answer.

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