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    The KPMG Independent Review of Maternity and Gynaecology Services in greater Dublin, which was completed in 2008, noted that Dublin’s model of stand-alone maternity hospitals was not the norm internationally and recommended that the Dublin maternity hospitals should be co-located with adult acute services, and that one of the three new Dublin maternity facilities should be built on the site of the new national paediatric hospital. The intention has been that the National Maternity Hospital should be relocated to St Vincent’s, the Coombe to Tallaght, and the Rotunda to the Mater.
    What's this all about? I thought our maternity services were the envy of the world.

    Surely they should be queuing up to follow our stand-alone model, instead of us copying a model which demonstrates poorer outcomes?
    'Dublin safest city in world for births' - irishhealth.com

    Dr Keane, who finished his seven-year term as Master on December 31,said Holles Street was set to record its lowest ever infant mortality rate in 2004,with a corrected rate discounting congenital abnormalities of only four per 1,000 births.

    Including congenital abnormalities, the perinatal mortality rate at Holles Street this year was 5.6 per 1,000.

    He said a UK expert who had recently reviewed the latest clinical reports for the three Dublin maternity hospitals concluded that Dublin is the safest city in the world for a mother to have her baby, thanks to the high standards of care here.
    I mean, a UK expert said this. There is no higher authority in Ireland.

    So what gives?
    However, banks know they have a duty of care to their clients and I'm sure that this should prevent them lending irresponsibly.

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    Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

    That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

    That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
    And Ryanair and Aer Lingus. Not to mention our inability to correctly record actual figures.
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    As a side issue does anyone know when the HSE/HIQA's inquiry in to Ms. Halappanavar is going to be published? It's gone eerily quiet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

    That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
    All hail our midwives - amazing people doing an amazing job amazingly well. I love the lot of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    Co-location is best practice. Tri-location more so.

    That we still manage to deliver a high standard of care is testament to our obstetricians and midwives.
    But, hang on for a minute, the contention we frequently hear is our standard of care ranks among the highest in Rome.

    If that's true (if that's actually true) it's absolutely not enough to pass it off as a tribute to the miraculous qualities of the Irish health professionals. Because (if it's actually true) it means we already have a model that allows the best health professionals to achieve the best results. Changing the model to conform with lower-performing systems can only screw up our high performance. They should be coming here to see how our specialist hospitals perform so well (if it's actually true).

    We are much too tolerant of incoherent and inconsistent statements, which look to be tailored to justify whatever oul' yoke is happening today.
    However, banks know they have a duty of care to their clients and I'm sure that this should prevent them lending irresponsibly.

    George Lee 2 June 2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuhart View Post
    But, hang on for a minute, the contention we frequently hear is our standard of care ranks among the highest in Rome.

    If that's true (if that's actually true) it's absolutely not enough to pass it off as a tribute to the miraculous qualities of the Irish health professionals. Because (if it's actually true) it means we already have a model that allows the best health professionals to achieve the best results. Changing the model to conform with lower-performing systems can only screw up our high performance. They should be coming here to see how our specialist hospitals perform so well (if it's actually true).

    We are much too tolerant of incoherent and inconsistent statements, which look to be tailored to justify whatever oul' yoke is happening today.
    Advances in technology have been significant in healthcare in recent years. Now the trend (or best practice) is to to maximise new technology/expertise and co-locate adult/maternity/children's services. The "model" is changing along with advances in technology and learning.
    At 12 weeks the “clump of cells” toes curl, her mouth makes sucking movements, she has a human face and if you prod the tummy she will move in response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuhart View Post
    What's this all about? I thought our maternity services were the envy of the world.

    Surely they should be queuing up to follow our stand-alone model, instead of us copying a model which demonstrates poorer outcomes?I mean, a UK expert said this. There is no higher authority in Ireland.

    So what gives?
    Maybe it is part of a plan to move the NMH under the wing of the St Vincent's Group so it can share that group's mission -
    "The Healthcare Groups mission of care is built around the philosophy and code of ethics of the Religious Sisters of Charity"
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    Which means more maternity units will be operating under the notorious 'ethics boards' influenced by nuns.

    Prepare for more Halappanavar-style cases if that happens.
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    Oh- and by the way the Mater Hospital is owned by the Sisters of Mercy via a limited company to which they transferred ownership a couple of years back- mysteriously being granted permission to drop the 'Ltd' from the name of the owning company by the Registrar of Companies for some unknown and unexplained reason.

    'Based adjacent to one another on the northside of Dublin, the capital of the Republic of Ireland, the hospitals were established and run with the distinctive ethos of the Sisters of Mercy (Mater Hospital) and the Sisters of Charity' Mater Misericordiae University Hospital - History and Reputation
    Whenever understanding exists, accepting or rejecting is unnecessary. (Fundamentals of a Gnostic Education).

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