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    Researchers say Western IQs dropped 14 points over last century

    A new study from researchers in Europe claims that the average IQ in Western nations dropped by a staggering 14.1 points over the past century.
    "We tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic study," the researchers wrote in the study, which was published online in the journal Intelligence on Thursday. "Simple reaction time measures correlate substantially with measures of general intelligence and are considered elementary measures of cognition."
    A novel method I hadn’t heard of, IQ would typically be measured by standardised written testing.

    The results were measured using data from 1889 to 2004 and were analyzed by Michael A. Woodley of Vrije Universiteit in Brussels, Jan te Nijenhuis of the University of Amsterdam and Raegan Murphy of the University College Cork in Ireland.

    So why has there been such a steady drop? As UPI notes, previous research studies have found that women of higher intelligence tend to have fewer children on average, meaning that population growth may be driven by those with a lower IQ. And over time, the abundance of less intelligent offspring would affect the overall IQ average.
    There are two parts to intelligence and brain development here, there is the gene set you are born with and then there is the nutritional/environmental part(eg breast feeding may increase a childs IQ by up to 3 points). Einsteins genius came in root from his genes, a stunted Einstein for example wouldn’t have been the same.

    University of Ulster Professor Richard Lynn has a book called Dysgenics in which he makes the case that IQs are falling worldwide due to the lower fertility of the most intelligent in society. To paraphrase him quality matters more than quantity with human populations.

    Study from Greece in the 1950s he quoted showing this

    Socioeconomic level N Mean IQ Num Children
    Professional 41 117.2 1.78
    Skilled workers 80 100.9 2.66
    Semiskilled 27 91.0 4.00
    Unskilled 67 82.2 5.56


    I believe the same pattern plays out in Ireland, Traditionally in Ireland dysgenics had other causes, often a more gifted son/daughter was sent off to the priesthood or convent, this would over time result in a loss of genetic capital due to the vows of celibacy. Today it is the gifted female child getting her masters who has children late in life if at all or only one,. Many of us can see this pattern in our daily lives, the phenonemon of the less productive reproducing more and earlier than those more affluent or gifted say.

    The welfare state both domestically and internationally(for what is food aid but international welfarism) is causing dysgenic trends in that the welfare class we have created are growing and then in low IQ countries populations are exploding - expanding dullard numbers immensely. We could take action here by taking tax measures against educated women who are childless and over 30 or restricting money to poorer families after the first child. What do people suggest can be done?

    Flynn effect.
    There is also a rise in IQ occurring that is assumed to be occurring due to better nuitrition, this has raised IQs by about 1 standard deviation in the 20th century(about the same as the average height increase over the same period). Lynn reckons the Flynn effect is hitting its ceiling – a given species simply has a given max capacity(you can only tune your engine so much).

    Trends in the future like designer babies may help counteract the trend but may end up the preserve of the elite, the welfare class may cooperate however when they find out they could make their kid look more like David Beckham or the latest in vogue celebrity. But Sadly I think it is more likely people like the below wouldn't be to bothered, they wouldn't be bovvurred.



    I would recommend people watch an informative documentary on this subject by Mike Judge called Idiocracy.



    Previous related thread here by a former Mod.
    http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-...have-kids.html
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    Perhaps a polarisation of intelligence is more apt.
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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    Of course they are. I present exhibit A. ( awaits picture in response)


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    The shinners were making slow steady progress in the poles...until factual jumped ship. Now dead in the water.

    Mark my words...
    And exhibit B:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Perhaps a polarisation of intelligence is more apt.
    Intelligence is definitely an inherited trait so it does make sense that as more intelligent women move into the professions and have less children that overall IQ would drop.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Perhaps a polarisation of intelligence is more apt.
    Attention spans are decreasing too. It took you only a minute to reply. Did ya even read the first paragraph ruserious? go on be honest.
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    Yeah, have you seen the latest poll results for FG and FF, only possible explanation for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    Flynn effect.
    That wouldn't be the Castlebar Flynns, would it? God, there's really no hope for this country...

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    Eh?
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    Just look at where Fianna Fail are in the latest Red C. Case closed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    Attention spans are decreasing too.
    Sorry, what?
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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