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    Is Alan Shatter the best Minister for Justice since Haughey?

    In two short years his achievements are immense:
    - defence of the home clarified
    - no blue flu
    - pay cuts for judges, registrars, Gardai
    - judges sitting in September
    - closing rural Garda stations which were wasteful in terms of resources
    - citizenship applications are processed much sooner
    - Magdalan laundry victims finally got justice
    - the x and ABC cases are to be complied with
    - greater emphasis on non-custodial sentences and reducing number of people who are jailed for non-payment of fines.
    - the Sean Brady bill passed (withholding information)

    And too many other reforms to mention (but feel free to add some) and more to come (eg a tweaked Legal Services bill)

    Mick Wallace, Paul Reynolds, the ASTI, 8 Attornies General, and the judicial bench may disagree with him from time to time but overall he has been a reforming minister and few mistakes will be made. While he may not be universally liked he is respected and his work rate gains approval.

    I'm trying to think of any of the previous ministers and how they did:
    - Brendan Smith (not there long enough)
    - Brian Lenihan jnr (well received)
    - Dermot Ahern (safe pair of hands)
    - Michael McDowell (new criminal law legislation every week)
    - John O'Donoghue (zero what...?)
    - Nora Owen (under pressure)
    - MGQ (finally decriminalised homosexual acts but overturned a lot of court decisions)
    - Ray Burke, Pee Flynn, Sean Doherty (no comment necessary)
    - Gerry Collins (twice)
    - Paddy Cooney (a thundering wha..), Des O'Malley and Michael O Morain faced down the Provos in the '70s
    - Brian Lenihan snr
    - CJH (abolition of death penalty, succession act, adoption act, ended the border campaign)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Is Alan Shatter the best Minister for Justice since Haughey?

    In two short years his achievements are immense:
    - defence of the home clarified
    - no blue flu
    - pay cuts for judges, registrars, Gardai
    - judges sitting in September
    - closing rural Garda stations which were wasteful in terms of resources
    - citizenship applications are processed much sooner
    - Magdalan laundry victims finally got justice
    - the x and ABC cases are to be complied with
    - greater emphasis on non-custodial sentences and reducing number of people who are jailed for non-payment of fines.
    - the Sean Brady bill passed (withholding information)

    And too many other reforms to mention (but feel free to add some) and more to come (eg a tweaked Legal Services bill)

    Mick Wallace, Paul Reynolds, the ASTI, 8 Attornies General, and the judicial bench may disagree with him from time to time but overall he has been a reforming minister and few mistakes will be made. While he may not be universally liked he is respected and his work rate gains approval.

    I'm trying to think of any of the previous ministers and how they did:
    - Brendan Smith (not there long enough)
    - Brian Lenihan jnr (well received)
    - Dermot Ahern (safe pair of hands)
    - Michael McDowell (new criminal law legislation every week)
    - John O'Donoghue (zero what...?)
    - Nora Owen (under pressure)
    - MGQ (finally decriminalised homosexual acts but overturned a lot of court decisions)
    - Ray Burke, Pee Flynn, Sean Doherty (no comment necessary)
    - Gerry Collins (twice)
    - Paddy Cooney (a thundering wha..), Des O'Malley and Michael O Morain faced down the Provos in the '70s
    - Brian Lenihan snr
    - CJH (abolition of death penalty, succession act, adoption act, ended the border campaign)
    They are both liars anyway!

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    Sectarian and defamatory by the first reply. Is that a record?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy De Plasterer View Post
    Shatter is a Jewman and takes his orders from an apartheid state

    Mmmmm. Can't see Martin or Adams running with that one during Leaders Questions.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Sectarian and defamatory by the first reply. Is that a record?
    No; half the OPs are like that.
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    Yes Shatter has accomplished more in the Dept. of Justice in a short period of time than any previous Minister .It would be tragic if this blunder in relation to the penalty points issue were to result in his dparture from office---Look at what Haughey,Burke,Flynn,Bertie,Albert,Doherty,O Donoghue and others did during their public careers and none of them,bar ODonoghue were forced to resign.

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    Ssssssshhhh.. The P.ie mob are angry.. Facts don't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loner View Post
    Yes Shatter has accomplished more in the Dept. of Justice in a short period of time than any previous Minister .It would be tragic if this blunder in relation to the penalty points issue were to result in his dparture from office---Look at what Haughey,Burke,Flynn,Bertie,Albert,Doherty,O Donoghue and others did during their public careers and none of them,bar ODonoghue were forced to resign.
    How many of them were not crooks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Is Alan Shatter the best Minister for Justice since Haughey?

    In two short years his achievements are immense:
    - defence of the home clarified
    - no blue flu
    - pay cuts for judges, registrars, Gardai
    - judges sitting in September
    - closing rural Garda stations which were wasteful in terms of resources
    - citizenship applications are processed much sooner
    - Magdalan laundry victims finally got justice
    - the x and ABC cases are to be complied with
    - greater emphasis on non-custodial sentences and reducing number of people who are jailed for non-payment of fines.
    - the Sean Brady bill passed (withholding information)

    And too many other reforms to mention (but feel free to add some) and more to come (eg a tweaked Legal Services bill)

    Mick Wallace, Paul Reynolds, the ASTI, 8 Attornies General, and the judicial bench may disagree with him from time to time but overall he has been a reforming minister and few mistakes will be made. While he may not be universally liked he is respected and his work rate gains approval.

    I'm trying to think of any of the previous ministers and how they did:
    - Brendan Smith (not there long enough)
    - Brian Lenihan jnr (well received)
    - Dermot Ahern (safe pair of hands)
    - Michael McDowell (new criminal law legislation every week)
    - John O'Donoghue (zero what...?)
    - Nora Owen (under pressure)
    - MGQ (finally decriminalised homosexual acts but overturned a lot of court decisions)
    - Ray Burke, Pee Flynn, Sean Doherty (no comment necessary)
    - Gerry Collins (twice)
    - Paddy Cooney (a thundering wha..), Des O'Malley and Michael O Morain faced down the Provos in the '70s
    - Brian Lenihan snr
    - CJH (abolition of death penalty, succession act, adoption act, ended the border campaign)
    I'm not up to date on the history of MoJ's but Shatter's achievements are tainted by his recent (and other) antics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy De Plasterer View Post
    Shatter is a Jewman and takes his orders from an apartheid state
    FFS! Piss off with the Jewspiracy crap!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy De Plasterer View Post
    Best Minister for justice was Sean Doherty. He was an ex gard and knew the workings of things. Poor man was not left long enough there, he was brought down by blueshirts and irish times cos Kennedy's phone was tapped, but it was done on Haugheys instruction.
    One of the "gang of five". Responsible for bringing us Haughey and his brand of FF corruption and cronyism? That Seán Doherty?

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    Shatter compared to Haughey...even I wouldn't go that far

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