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    Well you could have blown moi down with a feather, the thought that PIRA members and weapons made up the core of the so called 'dissidents' arsenal comes as a total shock...



    The man who three times inspected the IRA’s weapons dumps prior to decommissioning has said that it is impossible to say that the IRA destroyed all its weapons. Martti Ahtisaari, the former president of Finland who jointly inspected the arms before their destruction between 2001 and 2005, said that any society coming out of conflict would have “so many arms” in various locations that it can never be certain that all have been put beyond use.

    In recent years, there have been growing questions about the totality of IRA decommissioning as dissident republicans have had access to former Provisional IRA weapons such as Semtex.

    When asked, during a brief interview with the News Letter on a visit to Belfast, whether the public can be confident that all the weapons were destroyed, Mr Ahtisaari said: “First of all, in a society that has been in a war... there are so many arms in that society that you can never have a situation anywhere in the world where all the arms will disappear.

    “Because it is not only those which are possibly in the arms dumps, but people have arms at home, we know that from every country, and people have arms for hunting purposes, so there are so many arms.”
    Full decommissioning

    I am sure it was just odds and ends that got overlooked..BBC News - Rocket launcher believed to be Provisional IRA weapon

    Now we PUL's are often regaled with a CNR narrative that tells us there was no difference between UVF/UDA/UDR/RUC/BA/OO/DUP/UUP/TUV and the army cadets and also that there is no distinction between the 1913 UVF and the 1966 UVF... So would anyone care to tell moi how or why would one draw a distinction between this lot and the previous lot of armed republicans? Is it because they are all middle aged now...
    Nec Aspera Terrent..Is Tuaisceart-Éireannach mé. Má tá meas agat ar mo chultúr, beidh meas agam ar do chultúr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post
    Well you could have blown moi down with a feather, the thought that PIRA members and weapons made up the core of the so called 'dissidents' arsenal comes as a total shock...
    Has anyone ever argued otherwise about the weapons?

    I've always thought the general consensus was that they got their rifles from a couple of arms-dumps that were left somewhere.

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    The decommissioning was a fudge. Who believed provo-favourite Alec Reid and Alliance-linked Harold Good and their spin? Only those who wanted to. The IRA and their vile movement were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    The decommissioning was a fudge. Who believed provo-favourite Alec Reid and Alliance-linked Harold Good and their spin? Only those who wanted to. The IRA and their vile movement were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.
    Impugning the reputation of Alec Reid is unjustified.

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    Ask yourself who the QM was at the time of the decommissioning and who emerged as the leader of the first Real IRA, it was never believed that the man in question gave up the specifics on a lot of dumps.

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    Given last year's attack on the area by 60-100 UVF men and the complete lack of a timely response by the PSNI, no wonder
    Ya wouldn't want to have seen t happening but if Eammon Mc Cann and Bernie Devlin conceived a child, ideologically, it would be me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glaucon View Post
    Impugning the reputation of Alec Reid is unjustified.
    You believed the IRA decommissioned it all like Alec Reid said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    The decommissioning was a fudge. Who believed provo-favourite Alec Reid and Alliance-linked Harold Good and their spin?
    Yes, Harold Good and Alec Reid were Provo-loving liars.

    The IRA and their vile movement were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.
    Get over it Castle Ray. You and your ilk that opposed the peace treaty were defeated and the place has moved on. These dissidents will never get a foothold because there is no support for them, much to your chagrin no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swords Hoopster View Post
    Yes, Harold Good and Alec Reid were Provo-loving liars.



    Get over it Castle Ray. You and your ilk that opposed the peace treaty were defeated and the place has moved on. These dissidents will never get a foothold because there is no support for them, much to your chagrin no doubt.
    I did not say that about Good or Reid.

    I did not say that about the so-called "dissidents".

    You are a dishonest poster and yet again a proven liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post

    Now we PUL's are often regaled with a CNR narrative that tells us there was no difference between UVF/UDA/UDR/RUC/BA/OO/DUP/UUP/TUV and the army cadets .
    The meeting was jointly requested by the UDA-aligned UPRG and the Unionist Forum and was introduced by UDA Leader, Jim McDonald, and addressed by the DUP’s Jeffrey Donaldson, UUP Leader, Mike Nesbitt, TUV Leader, Jim Allister and PUP Leader, Billy Hutchinson
    Lisburn City Council funds Unionist Forum meeting using Good Relations money « Slugger O'Toole

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