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    Default way to go scotland, standing up to bigotry and racism

    Nigel Farage, leader of UKIP, a party of far right views to which lipstick has been generously applied, turned up to campaign in Edinburgh where he was created by people condeming racism and bigotry.
    BBC News - Nigel Farage blasts 'fascist' protesters after Edinburgh confrontation

    Farage accesses the protestors of intolerance and fascism. Personally I commend the protestors, as the saying goes all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Calling out bigotry and racism is something to be proud of.

    As a larger point, Farage claims he is entitled to tolerance and a voice in the debate and this was denied to him by the protesters. This is an interesting question, can someone who is intolerant reasonably expect that tolerance be shown to them ? I would say no, a pre-requisite to participating in the politcal debate is good character. This means those who dont respect the rights and freedom of others should expect that will not be entertained politically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancl2000 View Post
    Nicholas Farage, leader of UKIP, a party of far right views to which lipstick has been generously applied, turned up to campaign in Edinburgh where he was created by people condeming racism and bigotry.
    BBC News - Nigel Farage blasts 'fascist' protesters after Edinburgh confrontation

    Farage accesses the protestors of intolerance and fascism. Personally I commend the protestors, as the saying goes all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Calling out bigotry and racism is something to be proud of.

    As a larger point, Farage claims he is entitled to tolerance and a voice in the debate and this was denied to him by the protesters. This is an interesting question, can someone who is intolerant reasonably expect that tolerance be shown to them ? I would say no, a pre-requisite to participating in the politcal debate is good character. This means those who dont respect the rights and freedom of others should expect that will not be entertained politically.
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    A summary of the UKIP movement is here
    Is Ukip a party of bigots? Let's look at the evidence
    You either agree with democracy or you don't.

    Who decides on 'good character' - you ?

    What happened in Edinburgh was fascism. I realise that the idiots who protested are too stupid to appreciate this.

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    If you think UKIP are fascist I suggest you enroll for an evening Leaving cert history course.

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    Were the SNP commie trash involved? I see a lot of students, hipsters and punks - but no obvious SNP placards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancl2000 View Post
    Nigel Farage, leader of UKIP, a party of far right views to which lipstick has been generously applied, turned up to campaign in Edinburgh where he was created by people condeming racism and bigotry.
    BBC News - Nigel Farage blasts 'fascist' protesters after Edinburgh confrontation

    Farage accesses the protestors of intolerance and fascism. Personally I commend the protestors, as the saying goes all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Calling out bigotry and racism is something to be proud of.

    As a larger point, Farage claims he is entitled to tolerance and a voice in the debate and this was denied to him by the protesters. This is an interesting question, can someone who is intolerant reasonably expect that tolerance be shown to them ? I would say no, a pre-requisite to participating in the politcal debate is good character. This means those who dont respect the rights and freedom of others should expect that will not be entertained politically.
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    A summary of the UKIP movement is here
    Is Ukip a party of bigots? Let's look at the evidence
    So Dan, how exactly does opposing membership of an increasingly federalist block make one a racist and intolerant? Oddly enough, the people in Edinburgh heckling him told him to 'go home back to England'. The only bigotry here seems to be coming from their side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3344 View Post
    You either agree with democracy or you don't.

    Who decides on 'good character' - you ?

    What happened in Edinburgh was fascism. I realise that the idiots who protested are too stupid to appreciate this.
    The point is somebody with little respect for rights of others is trying to claim democratic freedom to spread intolerant views. Freedom of speech doesnt mean people have to listen to you

    The rights of individuals arent subjective, they are well established - someone who doesnt respected the rights of the individual shouldnt expect a right to spread those intolerant views

    As Karl Popper said
    “Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society... then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”

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    Created there was he? It's becoming clearer what's going on, he's one of them!

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    Did Farage seriously think he'd get a warm reception in Scotland? They hate the tories in Scotland so I don't know why UKIP (a more extreme version of the tories) would think it's a good idea to campaign there.

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    I'm not sure how Farrage, of non-english roots, married to a german, who has banned BNP members from joining UKIP is a racist? He's anti-EU and thinks uncontrolled immigration will damage the UK. Neither of those things make you a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancl2000 View Post
    The point is somebody with little respect for rights of others is trying to claim democratic freedom to spread intolerant views. Freedom of speech doesnt mean people have to listen to you

    The rights of individuals arent subjective, they are well established - someone who doesnt respected the rights of the individual shouldnt expect a right to spread those intolerant views

    As Karl Popper said
    “Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society... then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them... We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”
    Once again, are you the arbiter of what's tolerable?

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