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    For historical and cultural reasons, the inclination is to have considered Liverpool a friendly environment for Irish immigrants, but there was also a great deal of antagonism among native English Protestants, with the city being a stronghold of the English Orange Order. One aspect that has gone largely unregarded was the Liverpool Protestant Party, which sought to promote religious interests in employment and politics. Perhaps the most surprising fact is that the Protestant Party contested elections right up until 1974, so tensions between the Irish and English communities remained heightened until well within living memory.
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    History throws up some interesting nuggets. Two of the biggest riots in American history took place in New York City in 1870 and 1871 when Catholic Irish immigrants and Irish Protestant Orange marchers clashed: mass violence and 8 deaths occurred in 1870, 60 civilians and three U.S. soldiers died in 1871; the Orange Order disappeared from NYC shortly thereafter and Irish Catholics took over Tammany.

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    Having parties based on religious affiliation is nothing new - indeed there are/were far more Catholic parties around the world than Protestant ones (many if not most openly fascist).
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Having parties based on religious affiliation is nothing new - indeed there are/were far more Catholic parties around the world than Protestant ones (many if not most openly fascist).
    Perhaps because there are more catholics than protestants in the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritzbox View Post
    Perhaps because there are more catholics than protestants in the world?
    Probably - and the fact that the Catholic hierarchy was much more inclined to align itself with fascist and other far-right elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloatingVoterTralee View Post
    For historical and cultural reasons, the inclination is to have considered Liverpool a friendly environment for Irish immigrants, but there was also a great deal of antagonism among native English Protestants, with the city being a stronghold of the English Orange Order. One aspect that has gone largely unregarded was the Liverpool Protestant Party, which sought to promote religious interests in employment and politics. Perhaps the most surprising fact is that the Protestant Party contested elections right up until 1974, so tensions between the Irish and English communities remained heightened until well within living memory.
    There is still a hint of this in Liverpool society. There are still lodges, a twelfth and occasional bits of graffiti. There is also a large catholic community but less Irish by identity than it once was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloatingVoterTralee View Post
    For historical and cultural reasons, the inclination is to have considered Liverpool a friendly environment for Irish immigrants, but there was also a great deal of antagonism among native English Protestants, with the city being a stronghold of the English Orange Order. One aspect that has gone largely unregarded was the Liverpool Protestant Party, which sought to promote religious interests in employment and politics. Perhaps the most surprising fact is that the Protestant Party contested elections right up until 1974, so tensions between the Irish and English communities remained heightened until well within living memory.
    When the poor turn on each other its not very nice. Throw into the mix some 17th century conspiracy theories and the fact that the only moral requirement for protestants is to read the (King James) bible and you have a nasty bitter broth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Having parties based on religious affiliation is nothing new - indeed there are/were far more Catholic parties around the world than Protestant ones (many if not most openly fascist).
    Could this whataboutery have anything to do with the fact that the Socialist party and other far left parties rub shoulders with the anti-catholic far left in the UK. Could we even go further and say the Irish Socialist Party is merely a sidekick of the British far left.

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    This movie covered some of the ground in a hilarious fashion:


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    Being a Roman Catholic school, religion played a large part in our school
    life. Pop Moran even tried to turn me off football at Anfield – Catholics
    were traditionally Everton supporters and players, Liverpool were the
    Protestant team. Pop honestly thought that being a Catholic I wouldn’t be
    happy at Anfield
    – Tommy Smith
    Nec Aspera Terrent..Is Tuaisceart-Éireannach mé. Má tá meas agat ar mo chultúr, beidh meas agam ar do chultúr.

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