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    Default Constant complaints about Irish students' grammar justified?

    In recent days,several P.ie commentators mentioned that even some masters degree students of their acquaintance were ungrammatical in English,possibly an indication of absurdly low grammatical standards generally.

    About 20 years ago,I was shocked to hear from a friend of my niece that her secondary school had abandoned formal teaching of English grammar,apparently a common trend in schools then. That was a sharp contrast to my education when English teachers were obsessed with even obscure grammatical points such as the distinction between gerunds and past participles,which I no longer remember.

    A failure to teach grammar could be down to popular American education fads unproven in empirical research. Some educators claim that students should be encouraged to express their creativity without being inhibited by grammatical rules.

    Unlike in America,most Irish students have some experience of learning languages,Irish, French and Spanish, and that should give them a grammatical sense.

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    I saw/seen that yesterday.
    I did/done that yesterday.

    I would use both in speech, I know one is wrong. Is it a colloquial thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    I saw/seen that yesterday.
    I did/done that yesterday.

    I would use both in speech, I know one is wrong. Is it a colloquial thing?
    No, one is grammatically incorrect. It's got nothing to do with colloquialism, it's just wrong.
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    I have to completely agree gowning up doing ever thing with a computer.

    I am doing a law degree at night and find that in class when questioned about a topic i at top off class, but in a writing test i am near bottom as i never learned how to write correctly in school and in a test i am getting slated for my writing.

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    i Feel its Unjustified,so i Do.
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    When did people start to confuse loose and lose? I never remember that being an issue but in the last three years or so every second time someone uses it they use the wrong one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobhguy View Post
    I have to completely agree gowning up doing ever thing with a computer.

    I am doing a law degree at night and find that in class when questioned about a topic i at top off class, but in a writing test i am near bottom as i never learned how to write correctly in school and in a test i am getting slated for my writing.
    A book on grammar might get you through the law degree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobhguy View Post
    I have to completely agree gowning up doing ever thing with a computer.

    I am doing a law degree at night and find that in class when questioned about a topic i at top off class, but in a writing test i am near bottom as i never learned how to write correctly in school and in a test i am getting slated for my writing.
    It shouldn't be too hard to brush up on your writing skills and there is plenty of resources online (I know you are probably already snowed under and are sick of studying).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobhguy View Post
    I have to completely agree gowning up doing ever thing with a computer.

    I am doing a law degree at night and find that in class when questioned about a topic i at top off class, but in a writing test i am near bottom as i never learned how to write correctly in school and in a test i am getting slated for my writing.

    I cannot decide whether or not you are being ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    I saw/seen that yesterday.
    I did/done that yesterday.

    I would use both in speech, I know one is wrong. Is it a colloquial thing?
    "Would" is tricky,depending on the time intended. "I would have met him that day" instead of "I met him that day" and in the above sentence,possibly "I use both in speech".

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