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    Default Should FF FG Lab SF deny us a Dail vote on abortion?

    Coalition hoping to get abortion bill passed without vote - Independent.ie

    This is NOT a thread about the substantive issue of abortion so please Mr. Moderator don't close down this thread.

    This is a thread about whether a vote should occur in the Dáil on whatever final abortion legislation materialises.

    Should our TDs be honest & declar where they stand?

    Or should they band together to get this through the Dail without having to say where they stood?

    My view: If our Dail cannot debate and vote on issues as sensitive as this then there seems little point in voting....we might as well just outsource our decision making entirely.

    Oh wait, we already have.....
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    You know guillotined legislation requires a vote? Right?
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    Why can we not have a referendum? God knows we have refs on a lot of items recently. If they got the incorrect answer shur they will just have us do it again till they get the answer they want.

    But we are losing our say in so much of what goes on here it's just another show of arrogance. Whats wrong with having the people say and voting how they feel or think on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Brother View Post
    Coalition hoping to get abortion bill passed without vote - Independent.ie

    This is NOT a thread about the substantive issue of abortion so please Mr. Moderator don't close down this thread.

    This is a thread about whether a vote should occur in the Dáil on whatever final abortion legislation materialises.

    Should our TDs be honest & declar where they stand?

    Or should they band together to guillotine this through to prevent them having to say they voted one way or another?

    My view: If our Dail cannot debate and vote on issues as sensitive as this then there seems little point in voting....we might as well just outsource our decision making entirely.

    Oh wait, we already have.....
    Forcing politicians to declare heir position is exactly what YD & Co. want because it would enable them to target individual politicians in rural areas. They should band together and make it a non-issue for the next GE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    You know guillotined legislation requires a vote? Right?
    Sorry I was using guilllotining in a more artistic sense of word

    Will edit now as you are quite right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnout View Post
    Why can we not have a referendum? God knows we have refs on a lot of items recently. If they got the incorrect answer shur they will just have us do it again till they get the answer they want.

    But we are losing our say in so much of what goes on here it's just another show of arrogance. Whats wrong with have the people saying and voting how they feel.
    Aye, it could be referred to the People under Article 27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    You know guillotined legislation requires a vote? Right?
    Duly edited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato View Post
    Aye, it could be referred to the People under Article 27.
    I would hope that the Bill, if passed as currently stands, would be referred to the Supreme Court under A 26.

    I wouldn't be too confident though, what with the current incumbent in the Phoenix House

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    "Sources" and "A senior government source" are the only attributions given in that article.



    How certain are you that these are not just voices in Fionnan Sheahan's head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato View Post
    Aye, it could be referred to the People under Article 27.
    Exactly.

    I mean they're having referenda on everything from Seanad abolition to state inquiries.

    The 2002 referendum outcome is unclear: By narrowest of margins a proposal to overturn xcase was defeated. But in addition to the 49.5% who voted for it at least 10% voted against it because they didn't think it went far enough.

    The Red C poll last December shows that despite the "we have moved on" narrative 63% opposed legislation for suicide, a finding replicated by a Millward Brown poll in March

    So a majority don't support legilsation for suicide

    But even if a minority opposed such legislation - and at least 40% do oppose it - Dail parties clubbing together to deny a vote would be wrong.

    The Dail is supposed to reflect the diversity of the people.

    Not Stalinist consensus.

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