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    Default Further allegations of serious PSNI malpractise

    Fresh from the debacle that was the botched prosecution of Brian Shivers and Colin Duffy and what seems to be related malpractise in the prosecution of Brendan McConville and John-Paul Wooton (the ‘Craigavon two’), further serious allegations have been made regarding the PSNI’s system of administering justice.

    Legal representatives for Gary McDaid, one of those arrested in Derry city earlier this year in possession of viable mortar devices, are requesting ‘the audio and CCTV recordings of Antrim Serious Crime Suite and the prison’. This, in relation to allegations of serious misconduct on the part of investigating British officers. According to Ciaran Shiels from Madden and Finucane solicitors:

    We have accused them of accessing suspects in custody once their solicitors have left the station and pressurising them to plead guilty to serious scheduled offences when their lawyers are not present. The police have used emotional techniques and bullying in order that they become private informers or public supergrasses. Percentage discounts on sentences are being offered together with assurances of bail within a few months.

    Lawyers act to have prisoner transferred - Local - Derry Journal
    Are we to witness another case with charges thrown out due to the alleged gross misconduct of the PSNI?

    - Real IRA murders: Brian Shivers cleared of 2009 double murder of British soldiers at Massereene barracks in Antrim - Crime - UK - The Independent
    - Killers seek review of witness arrest - UTV Live News

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    arrested in Derry city earlier this year in possession of viable mortar devices,
    One presumes he was going to fit it as a stair lift for his poor old granny...
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    The PSNI is a totally different organisation to the old RUC. These allegations get thrown at them from PUL's as well, calling them PSNIRA and the like.

    They're between a rock and a hard place really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swords Hoopster View Post
    The PSNI is a totally different organisation to the old RUC. These allegations get thrown at them from PUL's as well, calling them PSNIRA and the like.

    They're between a rock and a hard place really.
    Did you read the links in the OP; are you aware of the background to the appeal lodged by the Craigavon two?

    About 5,500 RUC officers were paid off under the Patten redundancy scheme; 1,071 of them were later rehired as temporary agency staff, the Audit Office revealed.

    (...)

    The report said the practice of rehiring reached its height in 2007 when more than 800 agency staff were employed, the majority of them former police officers.

    BBC News - Robinson says PSNI retired officer policy must be transparent
    More than three quarters of the civilian staff employed by the PSNI on temporary contracts were formerly in the RUC. Nearly half of them are now employed in the PSNI’S Special Branch.

    http://republican-news.org/current/n...d_by_psni.html
    What are you actually basing your claims on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamusNapoleon View Post
    Did you read the links in the OP?
    Och sure the PUL's are half the time telling us they're biased in favour of the Shinners now.

    Sounds odd but I think if both sides are accusing them of favouritism then they must be doing a good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamusNapoleon View Post
    What are you actually basing your claims on?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swords Hoopster View Post
    Och sure the PUL's are half the time telling us they're biased in favour of the Shinners now.

    Sounds odd but I think if both sides are accusing them of favouritism then they must be doing a good job!
    So that is what you are basing your claims on - that both sides are accusing them of favouritism?
    You refuse to deal with the links in the OP about PSNI intimidation of witnesses in a murder trial or the subsequent post which shows the level of cross-membership between the RUC and PSNI.

    Your 'evidence' is not very strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamusNapoleon View Post
    So that is what you are basing your claims on - that both sides are accusing them of favouritism?
    You refuse to deal with the links in the OP about PSNI intimidation of witnesses in a murder trial or the subsequent post which shows the level of cross-membership between the RUC and PSNI.

    Your 'evidence' is not very strong.
    Seamus were they intimidating witnesses or the suspect? or both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cillian32 View Post
    Seamus were they intimidating witnesses or the suspect? or both?
    Certainly, they were intimidating a witness, even arrested them but they also put the defence lawyer under surveillance.
    Ya wouldn't want to have seen t happening but if Eammon Mc Cann and Bernie Devlin conceived a child, ideologically, it would be me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swords Hoopster View Post
    Och sure the PUL's are half the time telling us they're biased in favour of the Shinners now.

    Sounds odd but I think if both sides are accusing them of favouritism then they must be doing a good job!
    But the loyalist complaints are groundless. Even their reps. admit that it's all about a "perception" within the community, what Seamus is talking about is real.
    Ya wouldn't want to have seen t happening but if Eammon Mc Cann and Bernie Devlin conceived a child, ideologically, it would be me

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    Quote Originally Posted by cillian32 View Post
    Seamus were they intimidating witnesses or the suspect? or both?
    In the case of the Craigavon two, they intimidated and then arrested a potential witness who was willing to testify that the prosecution's witness was a 'liar' - as I understand it.

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