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Thread: Irish govt finally issues amnesty and apology for deserters who fought the Nazis

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    Default Irish govt finally issues amnesty and apology for deserters who fought the Nazis

    A good move this morning and long overdue:

    Shatter finally brings in amnesty for deserters who fought Nazis - Independent.ie

    THOUSANDS of Irish soldiers who deserted the Defence Forces during World War II to fight on the Allied side against the Germans will receive an official amnesty and apology from the Government this afternoon.

    The bill, which was introduced by Justice and Defence Minister Alan Shatter, provides for the granting of an amnesty and apology to troops who went absent without leave during the war and joined the Allies to fight the Nazis.
    Hopefully this will go some way to remove the stain placed on these brave men's reputations by the State and help the families get some closure. It's really pretty shocking that it's taken this long to pass a pretty simple piece of legislation.
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    Their actions should be celebrated rather than meriting merely an apology.

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    Hold on a second now lads. They were soldiers of our State who abandoned their post to run off to join a foreign belligerent in a war we were not in. The repercussions could have made us a target for the Axis and if we were invaded, there may have been manpower shortages due to the deserters.
    Shunning them on return for life wasn't a good move but celebrating their desertion is equally puzzling. They should have sought a discharge and then serve.
    Don't forget the time either. Just 20 years previous we were at war with the nation they left to join up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Hold on a second now lads. They were soldiers of our State who abandoned their post to run off to join a foreign belligerent in a war we were not in. The repercussions could have made us a target for the Axis and if we were invaded, there may have been manpower shortages due to the deserters.
    Shunning them on return for life wasn't a good move but celebrating their desertion is equally puzzling. They should have sought a discharge and then serve.
    Don't forget the time either. Just 20 years previous we were at war with the nation they left to join up with.
    Oh no you see despite your sound logic the Irish Times consensus will be that this is us "maturing" as a nation.

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    Hindsight justifies these mens actions because of who they fought against but, you can't blame the state for doing what it did at the time.

    If a soldier had deserted the army of one of the combatant nations he would have faced much worse treatment, up to and including his execution.

    Close the book if you will but, let there be no blame on any side.

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    Are they going to do this every year at this time?

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    I don't mind it happening but I would have preferred to see a really bitter and divisive debate first- one where it got really personal and where names were named in the national media. I mean what is the point of history other than it being a good chance to slag each other off over stuff that no longer matters? Anyway, I am glad it was done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    Their actions should be celebrated rather than meriting merely an apology.
    The idea of changing the May bank holiday into some sort of Veteren's day has merit although would probably open wounds and discussions about who counts as a soldier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Hold on a second now lads. They were soldiers of our State who abandoned their post to run off to join a foreign belligerent in a war we were not in. The repercussions could have made us a target for the Axis and if we were invaded, there may have been manpower shortages due to the deserters.
    Shunning them on return for life wasn't a good move but celebrating their desertion is equally puzzling. They should have sought a discharge and then serve.
    Don't forget the time either. Just 20 years previous we were at war with the nation they left to join up with.
    You think that the Irish Army as it stood would have had a chance against Axis forces?

    We weren't at War, but it was coming pretty close. Use of the ports was a prize worth winning, and any judgement of how Germany respected Ireland's neutrality must be balanced against Hitler's respect for his deal with Stalin.

    The desertions - along with the recruits who volunteered from the South allowed for a contribution to the War effort without the risks of being seen to have been officially sanctioned.

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    Shatter really is a pr1ck. Obsessed with World War 2.

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