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    Americans have a stereotypical view of Europeans being more socially tolerant.

    I don't believe this to be the case at all. Last month, France voted for same-sex marriage but it wasn't without it's hurdles. The hashtag #IlFautTuerLesHomosexuels (“Homosexuals Must Be Killed”) was trending on Twitter in France alongside violent protests in Paris. Even more frightening is the campaign against freedom of religion. Women, now, must refrain from wearing a niqab or a burqa in public. In fact, France and Belgium has banned all clothing that covers the face. In Switzerland, no longer can minarets or places of worship be constructed. Apparently, 74% of people in France believe muslims can never be a part of French society. Britains number is significantly less but the UK is not without it's faults either.

    In England, a teenager was sent to prison for sending out a tweet. The big three British parties all agree that a new press/media regulator was necessary. Of course, the Leveson inquiry came about by outrage generated by crimes already illegal under British law. It is an attack on free speech. In Germany, Austria, Poland, Belgium and Lithuania one can be thrown in prison for even talking about the Holocaust or crimes committed by the Soviet Union. In Hungary, of the 362 religious organisations only 14 remain on the register. The rests schools are no longer officially accredited. The same in Germany. A parent cannot decide on their childrens education. Moreover, homeschooling is outlawed right across many countries in Europe. Germans have actually fled the country to America seeking asylum. But what of Ireland? Where a raped 14 year old girl was told she couldn't have a termination and of course, the downright circus that took place even when she traveled to the UK. Even today, we have the song and dance about same-sex marriage. As recently as 1995, divorce was illegal in this country. And in 2013, there is still a lot of hoops two people must jump through to get separated officially.

    When it comes to drugs and prostitution, America can learn a lot from Europe but when it comes to education and free speech right down to the clothes you can wear, Europe has a lot to learn from the States. Of course, with Americans changing as of late and the decriminalisation of marijauna and prostitution in many states, Europe is quickly losing it's reputation as the place of social tolerance.

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    America is a fascinating nation due to the extreme differences in it's society. From following a link on here the other day I read a story of a meth addict who ended up getting a three-strike sentence that meant he would jailed for about 60 years for burglary. The article then went on to say that if he was in Jersey as opposed to California then he would have gone on a treatment program instead. Between the strange, 'new agers' who frequent places like Northern California to the Klansmen of the southern states to black panthers and militiamen in their hill forts, it's impossible to label the US as any one thing. How many far right organisations exist across Europe? Look at the rise of the Le Pen's in France? Neo Nazis in Sweden, Poland and the UK. Look at how Ireland was, up until recently, far more socially restrictive than America ever was. There are many lessons that both continents can teach each other - Britain, for example, is turning in a state where the term (that I usually laugh at because it's rarely used in a proper context) 'political correctness gone mad' seems to be coming to pass.
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    I agree with the OP
    This idea that europe is more liberal
    Mainly referes to western europe (france Benelux Germany Scandinavia, Austria) and a few other places and relates to attitudes towards sex and nudity
    The topless beaches the fact that you see more sex shops on main streets, public nudity legal in Germany etc etc

    There is also (until recently) marijuana in Holland and also over most of europe prostitution is legal
    Actually I read somewhere one of the reasons Sweden introduced the sex purchasing law was to counter act what they thought would be more liberal views coming from Europe when the joined the EU (1995)

    All this said the area I refer to is a small area in europe you also have the salvic states which aren't very tolerent of homosexuals and also have traditional views on marrage, kids etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by R3volution_R3ady View Post
    I don't believe this to be the case at all. Last month, France voted for same-sex marriage but it wasn't without it's hurdles. The hashtag #IlFautTuerLesHomosexuels (“Homosexuals Must Be Killed”) was trending on Twitter in France alongside violent protests in Paris. Even more frightening is the campaign against freedom of religion. Women, now, must refrain from wearing a niqab or a burqa in public. In fact, France and Belgium has banned all clothing that covers the face. In Switzerland, no longer can minarets or places of worship be constructed. Apparently, 74% of people in France believe muslims can never be a part of French society. Britains number is significantly less but the UK is not without it's faults either.
    Unfortunately the Muslims you are bleating about are likely to be the group with the most primitive attitudes towards homosexuals.

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