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    Default Timing of Croke Park II and Abortion bill: shaft Labour?

    Croke Park I Agreement expires in June, I believe. If no agreement is reached then across-the-board cuts of 7% will be enacted through legislation.

    I can't see Labour doing this.

    The Government falls and an election is imminent. Neither governing party are keen on this, particularly Labour.

    When is the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill to be enacted? Before the Summer recess. Fine Gael would want to be sure that Labour is forced to support their strategy regarding the public sector pay before the Blueshirts vote on this bill.

    Labour would be in an invidious position: ensure their cherished abortion bill is passed, and sacrifice their traditional supporters? Or try desperately to shore up their support in the public sector and risk letting this bill go by the wayside?

    What strategy will the opposing sides employ?

    At least one Labour parliamentarian will oppose it:
    “If legislation was required it should be airtight and involve a case where the person has to prove suicidal intent,” said Mr Kelly.

    “What I read in the Sunday papers, if that is the long term agenda of the party, I am against it. I am not one for opening the floodgates on abortion,” he said.
    The bitterly Pro-abortion Irish Times made snippy comments re: the brave soul that outed Amadán Ó Ríordáin and A. Ferris last weekend:

    Senator Kelly, who has strong anti-abortion views, also expressed reservations about the inclusion of a suicide clause and also expressed unease about comments made by party colleagues Aodhán Ó Ríordáin and Anne Ferris report last weekend saying they believed in further liberalisation of the law. (They made the comments to a young woman who misrepresented who she was and secretly recorded their conversation. The comments were carried in The Sunday Independent.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Croke Park I Agreement expires in June, I believe.
    Croke Park 1 Agreement runs into 2014.

    The government has torn it up and asked public servants to ignore that little fact.

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    Criminally dumb thread

    Can we have 3 doctors assess this poster????????
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    Abortion law Labour OK,

    Pay cuts, FG OK.

    ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by dresden8 View Post
    Croke Park 1 Agreement runs into 2014.

    The government has torn it up and asked public servants to ignore that little fact.
    Well good. I'm they are. Cut your pay, you (broadly speaking) supported Fianna Fáil the last 20 years.

    I didn't.

    But the Government has resolved to cut the wage bill by a mere €300m. I'm sure, however the issue will be revisited again. Unemployment is 14%. Still.

    Brendan Howlin supports slashing pay. I wonder will Labour be forced into a quid pro quo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asset test View Post
    Abortion law Labour OK,

    Pay cuts, FG OK.

    ........
    But Abortion law, FG not ok

    Pays cuts, Labour not ok.


    ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Well good. I'm they are. Cut your pay, you (broadly speaking) supported Fianna Fáil the last 20 years.
    Fnck you and your broadly speaking sh1te.

    How many times are you planning on being just plain wrong on this thread.

    Like it or not, broadly speaking you voted for FF too. Arsehole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    But Abortion law, FG not ok

    Pays cuts, Labour not ok.


    ????
    Labour may now get the X case legislation, but they still have to cut PS pay, with a Labour Minister doing that job.

    FG don't have to cut PS pay in their Ministers name. And they have an abortion bill that is restrictive but still meets X, and ABC.

    It's all a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asset test View Post
    Labour may now get the X case legislation, but they still have to cut PS pay, with a Labour Minister doing that job.

    FG don't have to cut PS pay in their Ministers name. And they have an abortion bill that is restrictive but still meets X, and ABC.

    It's all a game.
    It's seems to me that each party will lose some support to Fianna Fáil:
    • F.G. will lose some support over abortion
    • Labour will lose the public sector vote


    Can Labour somehow get their cherished abortion bill over the line, but not vote for the public sector pay cuts? Can F.G. force them to vote for this first?

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