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Thread: Large curtailment of TV & general toughening up of UK prisons -a model for Ireland ?

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    Default Large curtailment of TV & general toughening up of UK prisons -a model for Ireland ?

    Prisoners stripped of right to watch TV - Telegraph
    Prisoners will no longer automatically receive perks such as
    televisions, the freedom to wear their own clothes and shorter
    working hours, the Justice Secretary will announce.

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    In future, all prisoners will initially have to wear uniforms and will
    be banned from having televisions in their cells.
    There will be a blanket ban on subscription television channels and
    access to 18-certificate DVDs.
    Seems sensible to me , what do others think ?

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    Why is it sensible?

    The punishment is supposed to being deprived of your liberty, not being deprived of Coronation Street.

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    Hard Labour needs to be introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny365 View Post
    Hard Labour needs to be introduced.
    Sure, because that worked so well for the British.

    The fact is that where there is a society there will always be crime. It is common human nature. Especially when individuals are relatively pampered here. In many ways, Irish Prisons end up being somewhat better than a life of uncertainty on the street.

    Two things prevent crime. 1) A strong enough deterrent to dissuade individuals from even considering the act, such as tough laws, spartan-like Prisons, deprivation of luxuries and 2) Investment in deprived areas and sustainable education and work schemes.

    You may remember that a lot of number two went out the window when the Master Criminal Banking Sector all but tore the country asunder.

    Before you're going to introduce Hard Labour on those we do imprison, why don't we first actually arrest those who have so far evaded the law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Prisoners stripped of right to watch TV - Telegraph


    Seems sensible to me , what do others think ?

    cYp
    Seems a bit pointless to me.

    It neither punishes nor rehabilitates - suppose it currys a little favour from the staff over at the Mail but really its just a big, fat 'so what'.
    I am in line for a smiting probably sooner than I expect. Apparently.

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    Sh1tting into a bucket in the cell which they share with other men who may also sh1t in that bucket, before carrying that bucket down the corridor the next day, to be emptied, is far too soft for tv licence dodgers, shoplifters, and the likes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Sh1tting into a bucket in the cell which they share with other men who may also sh1t in that bucket, before carrying that bucket down the corridor the next day, to be emptied, is far too soft for tv licence dodgers, shoplifters, and the likes.
    You could argue Fair City is a form of torture banned by the UN. I can see that argument standing.

    These individuals have TV's and Game Consoles, but we forego proper sanitation?

    I would sooner trade an 18-inch TV for a good book and a toilet to read it on rather than bore myself to tears watching Irish television.
    Avarus animus nullo satiatur lucro - Latin Proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by APettigrew92 View Post
    A strong enough deterrent to dissuade individuals from even considering the act, such as tough laws, spartan-like Prisons, deprivation of luxuries
    People who commit crimes generally don't think they are going to be caught.

    If they believed they were going to be caught, they wouldn't do the crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by APettigrew92 View Post
    You could argue Fair City is a form of torture banned by the UN. I can see that argument standing.
    Well the US did use Barney videos on Iraqi prisoners as a form of torture, I shudder to think how much worse torture by Fair City or Coronation Street would be!
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    Bring the chain gangs back- plenty of work needs to be done !


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