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    Default Should FF align to the EPP ?

    In the EU, the Fianna Fail Party is aligned to the ELDR (European Liberal Democrats).
    About the ELDR Party | Fianna Fáil

    This grouping consists of 75 MEPs.

    Fine Gael, on the other hand, are aligned to the EPP (European People's Party).
    Who are we? | EPP

    This grouping consists of 270 MEPs.

    Could the economic disaster have been averted if the previous government had influence on an EU level as Enda obviously has in the EPP with the German Chancellor ?

    What have FF in common with Liberal Democrats in the EU ?

    Is FF too proud to join the EPP grouping because FG are a member ?

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    No, FFinished, with their strong ability to be liberal with the truth should stick to their current alignment.

    They belong in the same group as the Britain's Lib Dems - though Chris Huhne did go to jail.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    http://www.aldeparty.eu/sites/eldr/f...atement_07.pdf

    Anyone fron Eire at this meeting ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo9jo View Post
    In the EU, the Fianna Fail Party is aligned to the ELDR (European Liberal Democrats).
    About the ELDR Party | Fianna Fáil

    This grouping consists of 75 MEPs.

    Fine Gael, on the other hand, are aligned to the EPP (European People's Party).
    Who are we? | EPP

    This grouping consists of 270 MEPs.

    Could the economic disaster have been averted if the previous government had influence on an EU level as Enda obviously has in the EPP with the German Chancellor ?

    What have FF in common with Liberal Democrats in the EU ?

    Is FF too proud to join the EPP grouping because FG are a member ?
    If you think Enda has any influence with the German chancellor you havent taken your meds today.
    "Against brute force and injustice the people will have the last say, that of victory" - Commandante Che Guevara

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishWelshCelt View Post
    If you think Enda has any influence with the German chancellor you havent taken your meds today.
    What influence has FF with their ELDR counterparts.
    On the Venn Diagram, I see no overlap of interests.

    I am confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo9jo View Post
    What influence has FF with their ELDR counterparts.
    On the Venn Diagram, I see no overlap of interests.

    I am confused.
    Just because they (supposedly) share the same ideological viewpoints doesnt mean that Merkel has the interests of the Irish people at heart. The EU parliament has little or no power and is just one big bureaucratic mess.
    "Against brute force and injustice the people will have the last say, that of victory" - Commandante Che Guevara

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishWelshCelt View Post
    Just because they (supposedly) share the same ideological viewpoints doesnt mean that Merkel has the interests of the Irish people at heart. The EU parliament has little or no power and is just one big bureaucratic mess.
    Well, it is easier to chat to Merkel if youhappen to be sitting beside her at an EPP meeting as is the case with Kenny.
    Alphabetically seating order sees to it that Germany sits beside Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo9jo View Post
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    Is FF too proud to join the EPP grouping because FG are a member ?
    The problem is that existing members of a European grouping usually have a veto over new members joining.
    FF couldn't join the ELDR until the PDs collapsed and it's unlikely that they'll ever be able to join the EPP.

    Edit: A bigger problem for FF than the ELDR's size is that they share almost no beliefs with the rest of the Liberal group, so it's not a comfortable alliance for either side. But, it's better than having no allies in Europe.

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    They should align with the IMF jo9jo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devnull View Post
    The problem is that existing members of a European grouping usually have a veto over new members joining.
    FF couldn't join the ELDR until the PDs collapsed and it's unlikely that they'll ever be able to join the EPP.

    Edit: A bigger problem for FF than the ELDR's size is that they share almost no beliefs with the rest of the Liberal group, so it's not a comfortable alliance for either side. But, it's better than having no allies in Europe.
    Exactly.
    Why join such a grouping ?

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