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Thread: Is Micheal Martin making doe eyes at Labour?

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    Default Is Micheal Martin making doe eyes at Labour?

    There's an interview with Micheal Martin in today's Sunday Independent, where he seems to suggest that FF shares similar values to 'old' Labour, although he makes his dislike for the DL faction pretty clear:

    Like Burton, Martin believes that "we have reached the limits of austerity", and though he does not quite say that old Labour values are Fianna Fail values, it becomes clear that he shares quite a few other views with that party.

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    The Fianna Fail leader is, however, equally reluctant to do business with an un-reformed Labour of Rabbitte, Quinn and Gilmore, or that "upper middle-class, pseudo-liberal class who came into Labour, took it over and locked the door on traditional working-class Labour''.


    But if something were to happen to the Democratic Left wing that has colonised poor Labour, and were Old Labour and its similar values to Fianna Fail to come back, that could be another story.
    Is Martin making a pitch for working class, traditionally socially conservative Labour voters? Or is this about coyly suggesting to the likes of Burton and Howlin that they could have a useful partner after the next election? Whatever the aim, Martin admits that FF became too right wing in government:

    His explanation for the stealthy way with which the contagion of corruption colonised huge swathes of the party is that "politicians in power get soft, they get softer to classes doing well, we got too close to big business, it crept up, it wasn't challenged and it became the norm".

    Certainly, with his call yesterday to move beyond simple austerity, Martin seems to be positioning FF well to the left of where it was under the 'socialist' Bertie.

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    Sounds interesting but I don't quite see what he means to be honest. I understand its something got to do with the old democratic left taking over labour basically and leaving howlin and burton with not that important departments in which they deserve better but could someone explain it more easier and simpler english please??!!
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    Martin was not part of last government at all, or for 14 years. He did not read briefs(nursing home failure cost us a few billion) he was away in Foreign Affairs all the time, and was being shuffled around JFK Airport on night of Sept 29th 2008- though he was told via cell phone of the decision made, even though he had difficulty making it out above din of an airport.

    You see Meehaul is FF nua, and has no baggage !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin Coir View Post
    Martin was not part of last government at all, or for 14 years. He did not read briefs(nursing home failure cost us a few billion) he was away in Foreign Affairs all the time, and was being shuffled around JFK Airport on night of Sept 29th 2008- though he was told via cell phone of the decision made, even though he had difficulty making it out above din of an airport.

    You see Meehaul is FF nua, and has no baggage !
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    Martin wants to scoop up the disaffected public sector vote that isn't at all happy with Labour. It also happens that Croke Park II is coming off the rails and there is scope for industrial action. Fianna Fáil are positioning themselves as an alternative party for public sector workers, criticising the government for not doing enough to reform, and at the same time criticising them for doing too much reform. They have populism down to a fine art.

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    Dope eyes, maybe.
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    pointless,

    post election ff will have 45ish and labour will have 12ish......

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    FF too right wing in govt? Hardly.. they spent like drunken sailors. Nowhere is that considered right wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjimryan2 View Post
    pointless,

    post election ff will have 45ish and labour will have 12ish......
    So the party that created the mess is rewarded and the party attempting to clean up the mess is penalised. Only in Ireland.

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