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    Governments seem incapable of managing big sudden increases in spending,going by the experience of most countries,including Ireland in the Celtic Tiger.The latest evidence for this is in the UK where government spending rocketed 60% under Labour At last, it’s official: spending more doesn’t make public services better - Telegraph

    Consulting accountancy firm Deloitte's analysis of spending on UK schools showed no connection between spending and school results.No doubt the key to good results is the leadership of head teachers. In Ireland's case,that leadership is severely constrained by the jobs for life culture that prevents removal of underperforming and inept head teachers.

    The UK's NHS still receives bad media publicity despite massive increases in budgets and doctors' pay. Apparently,the government forgot to incentivise doctors to work weekends and take pressure off chronically overcrowded A&Es. In Ireland,the government is only belatedly recognising the obvious need for doctors to work weekends.

    The state benefits system in the UK is making work unattractive and "inflicting actual harm on communities,incentivising family breakdown and paving a road to dependency rather than work." Respected Labour TD Frank Field has a similar opinion,observing the growth of a feckless underclass culture in his constituency. This despite the fact that tax credits substantially top up low UK wages. In Ireland,the Troika has pressured the government to actively encourage people to seek work,presumably pointing to the success other countries such as the US and Germany have had in this regard. At least,the government should stop lowering the bar in disability claims in order to reduce politically embarrassing unemployment figures. As large numbers of people in Ireland remain unemployed for years,the feckless underclass culture will spread.Taking a job paying €15 an hour means a drop in the standard of living of many families.

    Given the government spending explosion in Celtic Tiger Ireland,it ought to be easy to make broad cuts but instead,cuts were mostly made in government capital spending projects done by private sector companies. The civil service and the public sector unions and professional associations avoided both serious cuts in bloated pay and pensions for the top half of the workforce and selective compulsory redundancies that would enable managers to hold on to key employees.
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    The state benefits system in the UK is making work unattractive and "inflicting actual harm on communities,incentivising family breakdown and paving a road to dependency rather than work."
    Yeah, all those job ads with not a single applicant. Thousand of unfilled vacancies all over Britain, while people in benefits live a life of luxury.

    It's striking how people fall for this nonsense.

    And what does an article in the Daily ToryGraph have to do with the title, apart from that "what I reckon" nonsense tacked on at the end there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    Governments seem incapable of managing big sudden increases in spending,going by the experience of most countries,including Ireland in the Celtic Tiger.The latest evidence for this is in the UK where government spending rocketed 60% under Labour At last, it’s official: spending more doesn’t make public services better - Telegraph

    Consulting accountancy firm Deloitte's analysis of spending on UK schools showed no connection between spending and school results.No doubt the key to good results is the leadership of head teachers. In Ireland's case,that leadership is severely constrained by the jobs for life culture that prevents removal of underperforming and inept head teachers.

    The UK's NHS still receives bad media publicity despite massive increases in budgets and doctors' pay. Apparently,the government forgot to incentivise doctors to work weekends and take pressure off chronically overcrowded A&Es. In Ireland,the government is only belatedly recognising the obvious need for doctors to work weekends.

    The state benefits system in the UK is making work unattractive and "inflicting actual harm on communities,incentivising family breakdown and paving a road to dependency rather than work." Respected Labour TD Frank Field has a similar opinion,observing the growth of a feckless underclass culture in his constituency. This despite the fact that tax credits substantially top up low UK wages. In Ireland,the Troika has pressured the government to actively encourage people to seek work,presumably pointing to the success other countries such as the US and Germany have had in this regard. At least,the government should stop lowering the bar in disability claims in order to reduce politically embarrassing unemployment figures. As large numbers of people in Ireland remain unemployed for years,the feckless underclass culture will spread.Taking for a job paying €15 an hour means a drop in the standard of living of many families.

    Given the government spending explosion in Celtic Tiger Ireland,it ought to be easy to make broad cuts but instead,cuts were mostly made in government capital spending projects done by private sector companies. The civil service and the public sector unions and professional associations avoided both serious cuts in bloated pay and pensions for the top half of the workforce and selective compulsory redundancies that would enable managers to hold on to key employees.
    On the other hand, the poster-boys for austerity are doing fine by slashing spending:

    Irish Economy: Retail sales tumbled 1.9% in March 2013; Down 3.6% in 12 months

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlyasking View Post
    On the other hand, the poster-boys for austerity are doing fine by slashing spending:

    Irish Economy: Retail sales tumbled 1.9% in March 2013; Down 3.6% in 12 months
    Did you not get the circular? Knowing how much we're going to lose is going to give us the confidence to spend.

    Oh how I wish I had saved that post. It a doozie.

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    The only thing it achieved in Ireland was getting Fianna Fáil re-elected twice after 1997 and that was the overall aim of the spending increases, many of which deliberately happened just before elections.
    I have closed down this account, I am now The Rahenyite.

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    Here's breaking news for us all.
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    patslatt's daily 'bash the public sector' thread - with a dollop of 'screw the welfare wasters' thrown in.

    pat makes it up as he goes along
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    Quote Originally Posted by onlyasking View Post
    On the other hand, the poster-boys for austerity are doing fine by slashing spending:

    Irish Economy: Retail sales tumbled 1.9% in March 2013; Down 3.6% in 12 months
    The austerity was mostly borne by the private sector in an explosion of higher taxes and excessive cuts in capital projects. This was the policy alternative to cutting billions off bloated public sector pay for the top half of the civil service and drastically restructuring the HSE and hospitals,including closures of numerous small hospitals. Small expensive hospitals need to be replaced by or converted into primary care group medical practice suited to dealing with chronic illnesses like diabetes and dementia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    The austerity was mostly borne by the private sector in an explosion of higher taxes and excessive cuts in capital projects. This was the policy alternative to cutting billions off bloated public sector pay for the top half of the civil service and drastically restructuring the HSE and hospitals,including closures of numerous small hospitals. Small expensive hospitals need to be replaced by or converted into primary care group medical practice suited to dealing with chronic illnesses like diabetes and dementia.
    Public sector workers have already had their income slashed. That overnight reduction in the pay of a sixth of the workforce, with the lowest paid right in the firing line, really helped retailers, restaurants, pizza joints and publicans, didn't it?

    If your wet-dream came true and billions more were taken out of the pockets of that sixth of the workforce, it'd work even greater wonders for the private sector.

    You're the turkey singing "Jingle Bells". Xmas can't come soon enough for you, and for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    The austerity was mostly borne by the private sector in an explosion of higher taxes and excessive cuts in capital projects. .
    PS workers paid these taxes too. Any tax hikes "borne" by private sector workers, was equally borne by workers in the public sector....

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