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    Article 6
    1. All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial,
    derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to
    designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to
    decide all questions of national policy, according to the
    requirements of the common good.
    Does the State live up to that standard, some brief examples...

    Incompetence and failure to apply the law
    Former Waterford Crystal workers win landmark ECJ battle over pension losses - Independent.ie

    Unwilling to obey the law
    Department of Health ‘illegally’ put age limit on disability allowance

    The bailout
    Bank bailout cost of

    The Past
    Cost of State redress for abused up to nearly
    Full text of Enda Kenny's apology to the Magdalene laundries survivors | Irish Examiner
    "The reality is that for 90 years Ireland subjected these women and their experience to a profound and studied indifference.” E. Kenny

    How does it treat those currently in its care (in light of the scandals of the past)
    Damning report into St Patrick’s finds forced stripping, excessive force and intimidation
    Findings on fatalities of children in care a 'disgrace' - Irish News, World News & More | The Irish Times - Thu, Jun 21, 2012
    Latest Inspection Reports | hiqa.ie
    ‘We branded people lunatics and locked them away’ · TheJournal.ie

    It tries to illegally convince the People to change their Constitution.
    Unlawful spend on children

    It defies its own Courts and European Court of Justice
    A, B and C v Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Dr Lydia Foy's Case : Recognition : TENI

    It may breach international law
    Government ignored the rule of law and misled the Irish public | Amnesty International

    It fails to apply the law
    Almost 124,000 garda warrants still to be acted on - Independent.ie

    It’s pays its servants well at the taxpayer’s expense
    Public sector economists confirm Irish public service pay benchmarking was a sham; Premium on private pay increased dramatically from 9.7 to 21.6% between 2003 and 2006

    Its record when it interferes with the economy is not great
    Economic history of the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A few questions:-
    Does "enemy" overstate it?
    How can the State be brought to heel?
    Why is there near zero accountability of its failed servants?
    When will the taxpayer say that enough is enough?
    How can rights of citizens be asserted more fully?
    Is Ronnie's statement correct in the case of Ireland -
    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden.

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    The corrupt inbred backward conservative FFailure (and FFailed) State is the enemy of the Irish people, yes.

    You forgot to mention the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, the active collusion with British and Loyalist death squads, and generally being a shower of ************************************.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideysGhost View Post
    The corrupt inbred backward conservative FFailure (and FFailed) State is the enemy of the Irish people, yes.

    You forgot to mention the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, the active collusion with British and Loyalist death squads, and generally being a shower of ************************************.
    The current quisling Irish governement, like the last one, are taking their orders from Germany and non Irish vested financial interests.

    The result of this is a dead economy, massive unemployment and emmigration all occurring whilst the thieving Irish politicians who orchestrate this live the comfortable life.

    This odious Irish traitorous polticial class appeased these foreign powers by transferring billions in private debt onto the Irish taxpayer
    who had nothing to do with such debt.


    Again, all done to appease non Irish interests and to secure the comfortable lifestyles of this robber Irish mainstream political class.
    Repeal the thirty-fourth amendment of the Irish constitution :
    Children have a basic right to be reared by a mother and a father.

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    No

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    I think that's twice now I've had to agree with a post by the Field Marshal cos it was, well, the indisputable truth

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    Article 6
    1. All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to decide all questions of national policy, according to the requirements of the common good.

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    It's the last bit they fail miserably on... which means they fail entirely... imo

    It's all about the 'establishment' and protecting it and its cronies at all costs...

    And if that means ignoring the common good or even acting against the common good... well then that's what they'll do... cos it's what they do all the f***ing time...

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    The State makes everyone under it's territorial rule poorer.

    Without taxation, you have production. Without regulation, you have innovation.

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    It is a bit of both. Ultimately it exists for its own purposes or for the purposes of those who control it, but in the process it has to shell out a fair bit of pacification money to keep the peasants plump and happy. But even a generous abuser is still an abuser.

    The simple test is this- can it's actions be controlled by the people? Not really, or at least not with any ease. Are our agents subject to recall? Not really, and not until a long time after the damage is dine. Can we stop laws that obviously are bad for us? No. Are our referenda inviolable? No- the power to call, word, frame schedule and reschedule rests with a minority, and this gives that minority a large edge. Have we been regularly sold down to river to foreign interests? You bet. Are there are group of commissars who get paid to tell us that this was all in our best interests, and that because we voted for as government it is all ok, even if those in power did the polar opposite of what they promised in opposition? Yeah, there are.

    So is the State our enemy? Yeah.
    Faoi mhóid bheith saor

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