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Thread: Job Security in Public Sector is now on the table: who should get the chop?

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    Kenny accused of threatening public sector jobs - RTÉ News.

    There is a (wrong) perception that public servants are guaranteed a job for life unless they hit their boss or rob from the employer or are otherwise convicted.

    The Unfair Dismissals Act does apply to public servants which means that it is fair to dismiss an employee on the grounds of incapacity, incompetence and conduct (subject to fair procedures).

    Incapacity
    The Employment Equality Act crosses over here as an employee cannot be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. But if that disability cannot be accommodated then dismissal can be made (in reality it would be a payoff).

    Incompetence
    Tricky since who judges it? On what objective basis? What consequence for the manager? But it remains an option.

    Conduct
    Bullying, abuse, assault, constant lateness, AWOL etc. However, this will unleash the lawyers.

    Redundancy
    Must be fair and objective and it is the job which is made redundant not the individual employee. It will be costly since more than statutory payments will be demanded (god knows why it should be paid out?)

    So who's in the firing line?
    - clock watchers?
    - troublemakers?
    - the uninterested?
    - alcoholics?
    - those on stress leave?
    - those with bad backs?
    - those who never scored well on any productivity test?
    - those who have cost the State money?


    (Or is this threat just guff and the government has no intention of taking on the unions on this ground as trade unions will prefer a pay cut for all including those carrying others)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Kenny accused of threatening public sector jobs - RTÉ News.

    There is a (wrong) perception that public servants are guaranteed a job for life unless they hit their boss or rob from the employer or are otherwise convicted.

    The Unfair Dismissals Act does apply to public servants which means that it is fair to dismiss an employee on the grounds of incapacity, incompetence and conduct (subject to fair procedures).

    Incapacity
    The Employment Equality Act crosses over here as an employee cannot be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. But if that disability cannot be accommodated then dismissal can be made (in reality it would be a payoff).

    Incompetence
    Tricky since who judges it? On what objective basis? What consequence for the manager? But it remains an option.

    Conduct
    Bullying, abuse, assault, constant lateness, AWOL etc. However, this will unleash the lawyers.

    Redundancy
    Must be fair and objective and it is the job which is made redundant not the individual employee. It will be costly since more than statutory payments will be demanded (god knows why it should be paid out?)

    So who's in the firing line?
    - clock watchers?
    - troublemakers?
    - the uninterested?
    - alcoholics?
    - those on stress leave?
    - those with bad backs?
    - those who never scored well on any productivity test?
    - those who have cost the State money?


    (Or is this threat just guff and the government has no intention of taking on the unions on this ground as trade unions will prefer a pay cut for all including those carrying others)
    Get rid of them all, and hire half of them so long as they're on their knees, begging for mercy.

    Pay them half of current rates. Balance the books? Easy.

    Then again, do we really need state schools and hospitals? Those who deserve their wealth can easily afford their own exclusive schools and hospitals.

    Our beloved Maggie would be looking down from Our Lord's right hand, nodding contentedly.

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    I dont mind if i get the sack with the cost of fuel and running two cars and all the new taxs we pay and the low pay i am on. i might be better of on the dole

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    ....but there is a better option....offer juicy redundancies to senior management and then hire them back as consultants.....
    “Still paying, still to owe. Eternal woe! ” ― Paradise Lost, John Milton

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    Sack those who are not flexible, those who are incompetent and those who have high sick leave rates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howya View Post
    ....but there is a better option....offer juicy redundancies to senior management and then hire them back as consultants.....
    nail on head
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    Quote Originally Posted by IbrahaimMohamad View Post
    Sack those who are not flexible, those who are incompetent and those who have high sick leave rates!
    Now you are sucking diesel the sick. that is the big problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Kenny accused of threatening public sector jobs - RTÉ News.

    There is a (wrong) perception that public servants are guaranteed a job for life unless they hit their boss or rob from the employer or are otherwise convicted.

    The Unfair Dismissals Act does apply to public servants which means that it is fair to dismiss an employee on the grounds of incapacity, incompetence and conduct (subject to fair procedures).

    Incapacity
    The Employment Equality Act crosses over here as an employee cannot be discriminated against on the grounds of disability. But if that disability cannot be accommodated then dismissal can be made (in reality it would be a payoff).

    Incompetence
    Tricky since who judges it? On what objective basis? What consequence for the manager? But it remains an option.

    Conduct
    Bullying, abuse, assault, constant lateness, AWOL etc. However, this will unleash the lawyers.

    Redundancy
    Must be fair and objective and it is the job which is made redundant not the individual employee. It will be costly since more than statutory payments will be demanded (god knows why it should be paid out?)

    So who's in the firing line?
    - clock watchers?
    - troublemakers?
    - the uninterested?
    - alcoholics?
    - those on stress leave?
    - those with bad backs?
    - those who never scored well on any productivity test?
    - those who have cost the State money?


    (Or is this threat just guff and the government has no intention of taking on the unions on this ground as trade unions will prefer a pay cut for all including those carrying others)
    What? But......but......but.....everyone knows there's total job security in the PS, posters on P.ie say so.....aggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Voters don't decide issues, they decide who will decide issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IbrahaimMohamad View Post
    Sack those who are not flexible, those who are incompetent and those who have high sick leave rates!
    Yes! Let's sack people with long term illnesses!
    The world is a very puzzling place. If you're not willing to be puzzled, you just become a replica of someone else's mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commonman View Post
    Now you are sucking diesel the sick. that is the big problem
    Ah but all that are absent are not sick!

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