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    In a stunning interview on RTE's Marian Finucane program this morning, Breda O’Brien, a patron of Iona Institute explained that in her view, doctors involved in Savita's care should have aborted the pregnancy on the basis of an elevated white cell count alone.

    Essentially, the Iona Institute says that the a threat to the health of the mother, not her life, should be enough reason to abort a fetus.

    This is a truly stunning development in conservative catholic thinking, and puts them at odds with the doctors organisation IMO (Doctors reject abortion motions at IMO conference - RTÉ News) which is against considering the health of women patients.

    The interview can be heard here: (Listen to RTE)

    Transcript is here: Transcript (Important bit is at the end).

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    Yes, I heard that too, seabhcan. Surprising change of heart, wasn't it?

    (I wasn't sure how elevated she thinks the WBC would have to be, because imuic, a bad cold or a random unnoticed virus can give an abnormal reading. She sounded positively extremist!)

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    She never said white blood cell count alone.

    The real story was Peter Boylan minimising the catalogue of errors and malpractice in Galway.
    Shocking...

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    She's right though. This woman was in grave danger that Monday and should have had an abortion.
    At 12 weeks the “clump of cells” toes curl, her mouth makes sucking movements, she has a human face and if you prod the tummy she will move in response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvio Dante View Post
    She never said white blood cell count alone.

    The real story was Peter Boylan minimising the catalogue of errors and malpractice in Galway.
    Shocking...
    Not missing, ignoring. Shocking really. Prof Bonner's view did not tally with Dr Boylan on Primetime. Thank goodness, or many women would have died unnecessarily in this State. Prof Bonner made the point that he doesn't wait for a woman to be acutely ill if there is e.g. an ectopic pregnancy, before performing an abortion. The Master of the Rotunda Dr Sam Coulter Smith told the IMO recently that he has performed 4 abortions in the past year when infection was of concern.

    I carried out four abortions in past year to save lives, says doctor - Independent.ie

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    At 12 weeks the “clump of cells” toes curl, her mouth makes sucking movements, she has a human face and if you prod the tummy she will move in response

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    She's right though. This woman was in grave danger that Monday and should have had an abortion.
    If the Iona Institute now says that the health of women should be a consideration in their care - they have my support. Unfortunately, it is unconstitutional to consider women's health in these matters, and we will need a new referendum to correct that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    She's right though. This woman was in grave danger that Monday and should have had an abortion.
    Especially given that she had requested one, because the foetus was dying anyway. What precisely was to be gained by extra testing, other than increase the risks she ran?

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    Threat to health COULD be enough reason to terminate a pregnancy, not SHOULD be enough reason.

    Good medical practice dictates that a holistic approach be taken with an emphasis on situational awareness as every single case is different. For example, no two mothers share the exact same level of health. A health risk for one may be less of a risk for another and vice versa.

    The legislation should confirm best practice, even if mistakes will occur. But what it should not be doing is writing into the statute books that abortion is somehow a 'treatment' for feelings of self harm.
    Heaven and Earth Meet in the Human Heart!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    Not missing, ignoring. Shocking really. Prof Bonner's view did not tally with Dr Boylan. Thank goodness, or many women would have died unnecessarily in this State.
    Yes, but from what Professor Bonnar said on Primetime, it really is not clear that he actually respects the law. He just goes ahead and terminates when he judges it clinically necessary. That isn't the same thing as saying the law itself is not responsible for causing Savita Halappanavar's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post
    Threat to health COULD be enough reason to terminate a pregnancy, not SHOULD be enough reason.
    It COULD only be a reason if we change our constitution. Our constitution says doctors are forbidden to take into account a threat health. Only a clear risk to life can be a consideration.

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