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    Default Is the Labour heave out in the open at last?

    If the report in the Indo is not mere bluster, then the dissenters may finally be stepping up to the plate.

    End austerity now - Burton and Gilmore in serious rift - Independent.ie

    Childers, Whelan and now Burton in a short space of time have raised their heads above the parapet.
    I hope we at last see a heave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagel View Post
    If the report in the Indo is not mere bluster, then the dissenters may finally be stepping up to the plate.

    End austerity now - Burton and Gilmore in serious rift - Independent.ie

    Childers, Whelan and now Burton in a short space of time have raised their heads above the parapet.
    I hope we at last see a heave.
    Sh1t, I just read the Sindo online for the first time in over a year!
    Thanks Bagel.

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    I hope you didn't pay for the privilege

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    On the OP, I would be surprised if they made a heave at this point.
    They know whoever went in after Gilmore would have to preside over the party as they sort out the CP2 mess his leadership left them with.
    They will wait unless they are scared he will mess it up so badly it damages Labour even more.

    And not I didn't pay, I just hate that they will use my read as stats to show their readership.

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    If there is leadership heave, and Gilmore is defeated, Kenny should call a general election.

    I think FG would do very well and it would make FF go to the electorate two years earlier than they would wish for. The election campaign would give FG an opportunity to remind the electorate how bad things were under FF and the latter may not do as well as the opinion polls would suggest.

    "We have to end austerity". What does that even mean? I have yet to hear a coherent alternative to austerity. Political parties like being popular. Wouldn't they have surely chosen a less austere route if it was possible?

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    What is more concerning and is an issue that is likely to grow, is the intervention of the President in the debate. President Higgins has superbly summed up the rotten heart of the crisis in Europe and, by extension, at home but there he should have left it. However instead of calling on thought leaders to engage in figuring out a new way forward, the unreformed old Leftie couldn't help himself in implicitly promulgating socialist economic principles as the solution.

    His rhetoric was efused with the usual lofty notions of solidarity but failed to address the human crave for incentive. He correctly points out that big business interests have overwhelmed the sovereign but unfortunately socialist economics has its own wrecking ball. Greece was run by Socialist governments.

    President Higgins, with no career experience outside public life and academia, lacks the breadth of thinking to solve the problem. He continues the fight from the university campuses of the mid 20th century, raging against the loss to liberal economic models. The big issue though is that, this week it looks awfully like President Higgins is part of a wider campaign, whether intentionally or not. By intervening in this way he does not, as is quite clear from the general election, represent the views of the people.

    There are many of us who distrust high taxation solutions especially in a country in the grip of over-powerful trade unions in the public sector desperate to carve out at disproportionate share of dwindled resources to their members.

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    If there only scared that he'll mess it up now then they have been watching a very different Ireland than I. Labour need to pull out of government now if they have a shred of a future. Cp2 is the pigs and men scene from animal farm. There constituents will flock to ff and sf. Unless they make a major stand against austerity and aagainst exploitation.
    There leaders are to old and fat to even realise this. Maybe Burton is a lone voice Of sense.
    Gilmore needs a challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mentalist Clientelist View Post
    If there is leadership heave, and Gilmore is defeated, Kenny should call a general election.

    I think FG would do very well and it would make FF go to the electorate two years earlier than they would wish for. The election campaign would give FG an opportunity to remind the electorate how bad things were under FF and the latter may not do as well as the opinion polls would suggest.

    "We have to end austerity". What does that even mean? I have yet to hear a coherent alternative to austerity. Political parties like being popular. Wouldn't they have surely chosen a less austere route if it was possible?
    All the soft ps vote that went from ff to th and Labour will return. Kenny will not call a ge until he has to. A Labour heave will lead to them withdrawing from govt. He will try and offer a few hospitals to independents to continue limping on.

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    The only labour heaving is done in the loo. They have become far too fat at the trough and need to shed some excess weight. Another three years of tripe!

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    Sindo today has stories about a split in Labour, a row in FG and a massive reform in FF on its front page. They must have run out of cash for surveys

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