Interesting debate on gay marriage in the IT between Fintan O'Toole and Breda O'Brien. O'Toole essentially gives a classic liberal position ie. Gay Marriage will not affect anyone else except the individuals involved so therefore it should be allowed. This on it's own is a perfectly fine position but Fintan goes down the road of what I call "liberal fascism" when he essentially states that anyone who doesn't agree with him must be a bigot. Is it really acceptable to make statements like this?
I know we’re all supposed to be civil and respectful about this, but let me be honest: I don’t respect the arguments against gay marriage. I don’t respect them because I don’t think they are really arguments at all. They are a pseudo-rational veneer on irrational prejudice. They are so weak that I don’t think any intelligent person would believe them unless he or she had already decided that gay men and lesbian women are not deserving of full human equality. And that decision isn’t respectable – it’s vile.
The liberals in Ireland seem to be gradually stopping to make valid arguments to support their positions and instead just slander their opponents as being homophobes, bigots, sexists, misogynists etc.
Sayonara baby, our marriage is a sham - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Tue, Apr 16, 2013
Interestingly Breda O'Brien argues in favour of the common good and society. Now I don't necessarily agree with her but it is ironic that the so called leftist Fintan O'Toole has taken up the mantle of individual freedom while right wing O'Brien argues about the good of society. O'Brien also seem to have a lot more humility and common courtesy when debating.
To oppose gay marriage is not necessarily a bigoted position - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Sat, Apr 20, 2013
I genuinely fear for the future of the left as it seems to be dominated by elitist liberal snobs who want to just abuse anyone who doesn't think the same way as them. The left needs to get back to arguing positions that will increase the living standards of the working class, creating jobs, public services etc and stop calling working class people bigots.