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    Kiernan Glennon has a new book on the 'Belfast pogrom' of 1920-22.

    Book Review: From Pogrom to Civil War, Tom Glennon and the Belfast IRA | The Irish Story

    Glennon puts the figure for those killed in political violence in Belfast in those years at 498. Combatants suffered least - 37 Crown and 14 IRA, Catholic civilians suffered most, 266 dead to 180 Protestants.

    A grim picture.

    A quick rundown of his arguments for those interested;

    The IRA were unprepared for the consequences of their starting hostilities in the north, by assassinating DI Swanzy in Lisburn - which provoked wholesale loyalist attacks on Catholics. It was a long time before the came up with an organised plan to defend Catholics - most of whom at the time supported the IPP rather than SF. Nevertheless, their presence in their strongholds around the Falls deterred reprisals there while elsewhere Catholics suffered more.

    Sections of the police - RIC and USC - quite openly carried out reprisals on Catholics in general and in some cases may even have been responsible for he actions they said they were avenging.

    The IRA was flooded by recruits who wanted revenge on Protestants and themselves got into many sectarian attacks, including throwing hand grenades onto packed trams full of shipyard workers.

    The British Army killed a lot of civilians, 70, but was at least even handed - 35 Catholics and 35 Protestants shot dead in rioting.

    The violence in Belfast was not ended by the outbreak of civil war in the south as often stated, because the IRA in Belfast had already been defeated by then and many had already fled south to the Curragh to avoid internment in the north.

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    Sounds like a good book, will have to get a hold of it when I can.

    Am not normally a fan of family histories by members of said families especially if they substitute evidence for gossip (another problem I have with a lot of 'local historians') but this one sounds interesting.

    Definitely shows that the more recent Troubles wasn't anything new but just another chapter in a very long history.

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    Any relation to Mags Glennon?

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    They shot people crossing streets and bought the papers the next day to find out ' the sort ' they'd got. Classy place Belfast.
    "What Michael Collins accepted in '22,De Valera accepted in'27 and Gerry Adams accepted in '98.Sooner or later they all come around to accepting the Treaty"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    Any relation to Mags Glennon?
    Don't think so! kG's political background is on the left as far I'm aware.

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    A pogrom that gifted Cecil Parkinson to British politics. So all worth it in the end.....

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    Terrible times to be sure, a lot of people killed in Derry around that time too.
    Police ombudsman Nula O'loan - We found collusion on a massive scale, murders, intimidation, directing terrorism, attempted murder, drug smuggling, the list of crimes is endless..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD66 View Post
    Don't think so! kG's political background is on the left as far I'm aware.
    Mags wrote for Fourthwrite - which is/was socialist republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    Mags wrote for Fourthwrite - which is/was socialist republican.
    I just googled her when you typed that which led to an indymedia article which calls her, 'the fascist provo'. I hadn't heard of her before to be honest.

    Anyway, as far as I know there's no connection. Kieran Glennon was not involved in republican politics to knowledge.

    Tom Glennon of the book returned to Belfast in the early 1930s but did not become involved in republican politics again. The RUC visited him in the 1940s but he apparently convinced them he no longer had any links with the IRA and they left him alone.
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    Read in the book Political Football about Belfast Celtic's history that a lot of their games in the period between 1920-1922 involving the loyalist teams Glentoran and Linfied erupted into full scale trouble.
    I have closed down this account, I am now The Rahenyite.

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