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    Default Far Better Off Without The Celtic Tiger!

    Mods, I haven't noticed any thread very directly on this, but if there has been please feel free to add this to them!
    OK, we got a LUAS, Terminal 2, The Aviva and the National conference centre, along with (what many see as an issue, better paid SW rates and a higher minimum wage than most!)!
    But now with negative equity, being forced to pay for banks' issues, the Troika, having mispumped resources into building, the reappearance of food kitchens and banks, levels of personal indebtedness, a vastly more inflated and closeted (well overpaid! and over pensioned!) public sector, around 80,000 people running out of the place (mostly educated and or skilled, while our rubbish, who have never worked stay as SW is so much better for them here!) yearly, to name just a few big ticket items, it seems a huge price to pay for around 10 years of living in the sun!
    How could it have been done differently (rem we don't control interest rates), did we get the worst ending possible! Would the Irish government and people love the insanity to restart tomorrow and feck the consequences for our grandchildren?
    If Japan went through this boom and bust,and the UK, surely it is probably every capitalist economies destiny?
    We had as I say a soft landing allright, - soft in the head!
    Also how culpable are we, the Irish people (did we all party?), yes but there was those ESRI growth forecasts and a Prime minister telling the naysayers to go and commit suicide!

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    Be careful what you wish for!

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    Although, the new found illusory (for almost all of us!)wealth, probably led to a certain freedom which n=may be has continued eg from small minds, there is definitely a far more liberal air out there wrt sexual liberation and e.g. abortion rights and people are not involuntarily incarcerated into psychiatric hospitals to disinherit them and the Magdellan concentration camps are gone!
    Most people have traveled a bit on the continent also now, not just to a beach or two there!

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    Is it the case that it is vastly obvious, we would have been better off without it and indeed without any massive growth spurts!
    I cannot imagine that we would have got a worse land than we did!

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    The sad thing is that so many people seem to have not learned from this disaster. Fianna Fail doubled public spending in a ten year period largely based on the tax receipts on money borrowed from abroad by the banks and pumped into the economy. Yes it was crazy. And yet, 25% of people are prepared to vote for them again. I know the choices aren't great, but these people shouldn't get a sniff of power for at least a generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunlin3 View Post
    The sad thing is that so many people seem to have not learned from this disaster. Fianna Fail doubled public spending in a ten year period largely based on the tax receipts on money borrowed from abroad by the banks and pumped into the economy. Yes it was crazy. And yet, 25% of people are prepared to vote for them again. I know the choices aren't great, but these people shouldn't get a sniff of power for at least a generation.
    How many people said re FF, Never Again! last time out and have returned to the fold?

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    The Celtic Tiger had nothing to do with our current economic malaise.

    The Celtic Tiger was killed off around 2000/2001 and our economy then entered into a bubble, fuelled by cheap and easy money, aided and abetted by special interests and rent seekers.
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    I suppose life is a learning process, so have we learned anything from the whole fiasco?
    Perhaps this - We are one hell of a gullible people who will willingly allow ourselves to be in denial at the behest of our perceived betters!
    There will also never ever be any consequences for our betters when they are blatantly extracting the urine!
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    If we were without the Luaaaaassssss, the Dole Bowl, and the Cowen Can, and we had a concept of society back, then we would probably all be better off in many senses that could never be made up with countless property hunting escapades, or binge booze ups in Barcelona.

    But I think that we are very early in the process of sussing that one out. This has to go full circle. The Bertie Binge era made an awful lot of misery and parked it out into the future. And it is not going to stay there forever.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    If we were without the Luaaaaassssss, the Dole Bowl, and the Cowen Can, and we had a concept of society back, then we would probably all be better off in many senses that could never be made up with countless property hunting escapades, or binge booze ups in Barcelona.

    But I think that we are very early in the process of sussing that one out. This has to go full circle. The Bertie Binge era made an awful lot of misery and parked it out into the future. And it is not going to stay there forever.
    The money was shoved into the Capital City. When money was forked out for childminding, the "stay-at-home" Mothers demanded their share......There was a whole pile of this goin' on and Cowen as Minister for Finance gave in.
    No a la vista, no en mente!

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