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    Default 32% of West Bank settlements built on private Palestinian land

    Proof that Israeli settlements - contrary to their apologists like L'Chaim - are often built on private Palestinian land - which in fact is a violation not only of international law (Fourth Geneva Convention) but also of Israeli law itself.

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    By Israeli law, privately owned land can not be part of a settlement.[85] In 2006 Peace Now acquired a report, which it claims was leaked from the Israeli Government's Civil Administration, indicating that up to 40 percent of the land Israel plans to retain in the West Bank is privately owned by Palestinians.[118] Peace Now called this a violation of Israeli law.[119] Peace Now published a comprehensive report about settlements on private lands.[120][121] In the wake of a legal battle, Peace Now lowered the figure to 32 percent, which the Civil Administration also denied.[122] The Washington Post reported that "The 38-page report offers what appears to be a comprehensive argument against the Israeli government's contention that it avoids building on private land, drawing on the state's own data to make the case."[123]

    In February 2008, the Civil Administration stated that the land on which more than a third of West Bank settlements was built had been expropriated by the IDF for "security purposes."[124] The unauthorized seizure of private Palestinian land was defined by the Civil Administration itself as 'theft.'[125] According to B'Tselem, more than 42 percent of the West Bank are under control of the Israeli settlements, 21 percent of which was seized from private Palestinian owners, much of it in violation of the 1979 Israeli Supreme Court decision.[56]

    A secret database, drafted by a retired senior officer, Baruch Spiegel, on orders from former defense minister Shaul Mofaz, found that some settlements deemed legal by Israel were illegal outposts, and that large portions of Ofra, Elon Moreh and Beit El were built on private Palestinian land. The "Spiegel report" was revealed by Haaretz in 2009. Many settlements are largely built on private lands, without approval of the Israeli Government.[126] According to Israel, the bulk of the land was vacant, was leased from the state, or bought fairly from Palestinian landowners.

    Invoking the Absentee Property Law to transfer, sell or lease property in East Jerusalem owned by Palestinians who live elsewhere without compensation has been criticized both inside and outside of Israel.[127] Opponents of the settlements claim that "vacant" land belonged to Arabs who fled or collectively to an entire village, a practice that developed under Ottoman rule. B'Tselem charged that Israel is using the absence of modern legal documents for the communal land as a legal basis for expropriating it. These "abandoned lands" are sometimes laundered through a series of fraudulent sales.[128]

    According to Amira Hass, one of the techniques used by Israel to expropriate Palestinian land is to place desired areas under a 'military firing zone' classification, and then issue orders for the evacuation of Palestinians from the villages in that range, while allowing contiguous Jewish settlements to remain unaffected.[129]
    The government should press for an arms-embargo on Israel until this stops. Preferably this should be expanded to economic sanctions in industries which are not already monopolised by American (and therefore pro-Israel) companies.
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    That might make you feel all nice and warm but it wouldn't make a blindest bit of difference. Anything (excepting perhaps modern aircraft) the Israelis can't buy, their domestic industry seems to be able to create.

    On a more serious note, has a monetary compensation deal for land (as in: Shag off money / Israel buys land for displaced arabs in Arab countries in final settlement) ever been mooted through all the years of peace talks?
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    So, if we compare it to another Politics.ie thread on the exact same issue, it's come down from 33% to 32%.

    http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign...nian-land.html

    Nice to compare identical threads here and they show progress, even if small.

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    When the Israeli courts say a settlement is illegal, Netanyahu just legalises them retroactively. This is what happened with the Ofra settlement, where forged focuments were used by settlers to fake a land purchase.
    The Sasson Report in 2003 introduced criteria for determining the legality of a given settlement under Israeli law. In June 2007, Haaretz reported that 179 of the 600 buildings in Ofra are considered illegal by the Israeli administration.[27]

    Ofra is built on private Palestinian land.[6] In a December 2008 report, B'Tselem has argued that while all Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal under international law, Ofra is illegal even under Israeli law stating that it violates 3 of the 4 established criteria for legality in the Sasson report. According to the report, while Ofra was authorized in 1979, it was never defined a jurisdictional area, never had an outline plan approved and no lawful building permits were issued. The report added that at least 58 percent of the settlement's built-up area is registered in the Land Registry Office under the names of Palestinians. Ofra residents claim the land was purchased legally from the Palestinians.[28][4] They contended that the land was purchased legally but suggested that showing documents of the purchases would lead to Palestinian retribution attacks. Land deals are usually kept secret to protect Palestinian sellers. [29] The Yesha Council accused B'Tselem of trying to remove Jews from their land saying the group "will spare no means - even lies" in order to harm the settlements.[28]

    Homes were built on land bought with forged documents. Hundreds of structures in Ofra came under a demolition order from the Civil Administration after the villagers of Ein Yabrud laid a petition at the Israeli High Court of Justice over construction on their private land.[30]

    A secret database, published by Haaretz in 2009, confirmed that Ofra was largely built on private Palestinian lands, without approval.[31] In September 2011, the Israeli government set up plans to legitimise the settlement retroactively.[32]

    Ofra's settlement fence was built without permits over wide swathes of land belonging to the Palestinian villages of Deir Dibwan and Silwad. The IDF has confirmed that permits were lacking, and undertook to rebuild the fence closer to Ofra within 2012. Top quality soil from this agricultural land is systematically harvested, according to Haaretz 'stolen', for settlement use.[33]
    Kevin Parlon I am not aware of monetary compensation being offered, except being mooted in the failed Barak-Arafat talks to compensate the 1948 refugees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    On a more serious note, has a monetary compensation deal for land (as in: Shag off money / Israel buys land for displaced arabs in Arab countries in final settlement) ever been mooted through all the years of peace talks?
    Arabs to leave historical land to make way for eastern European and American neo-fascist, religious fundamentalist squatters... not sure that one will make much sense to anyone outside your creche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonsai Experiment View Post
    Arabs to leave historical land to make way for eastern European and American neo-fascist, religious fundamentalist squatters... not sure that one will make much sense to anyone outside your creche.
    It makes more sense than what's currently happening, which is misery for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    It makes more sense than what's currently happening, which is misery for all.
    Are you talking about people displaced within the Israel /Palestine border or outside of that in Jordan , Lebanon , Syria etc. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonsai Experiment View Post
    Are you talking about people displaced within the Israel /Palestine border or outside of that in Jordan , Lebanon , Syria etc. ?
    Yes. It's the easiest thing in the world to say X is the evil side. Y must displace X or there can be no peace. If you look at it objectively (something I believe you are unable to do) you can say; this is about land and justice. The Israelis aren't going to commit mass suicide and they are not going to live under an Arab majority. The Arabs say; we're not going to commit suicide and we're not going to live under the Jews. So, where does that leave us? Genocide, or accommodation? The only (non-genocidal) accommodation can be (IMO) Israelis compensating (paying a ************************load) Arabs to move to other Arab lands.

    For a zealot such as yourself, it won't surprise me if you advocate the former solution. If there are other solutions that I am missing, feel free to educate me.
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    Misleading thread.

    The West Bank is all Palestinian and therefore 100% of the settlements are on Palestinian land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Proof that Israeli settlements - contrary to their apologists like L'Chaim - are often built on private Palestinian land - which in fact is a violation not only of international law (Fourth Geneva Convention) but also of Israeli law itself.


    The government should press for an arms-embargo on Israel until this stops. Preferably this should be expanded to economic sanctions in industries which are not already monopolised by American (and therefore pro-Israel) companies.
    Proof from Wiki , have to do better , i can edit stuff on that.

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