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    The Catholic Church has many streams of income from mass collections to Priests getting donations for christenings, weddings offering masses etc. This country is in the midst of Austerity and poor and low paid workers in society are taking a hard hit. The Catholic Church has charitable status, should the Government look at changing this? The Catholic clergy have committed heinous crimes against the Irish people and Children in particular. Paying tax may show the people that they Church wants to contribute to Irish society? Is it time as a wealthy organisation like the Catholic Church showed solidarity with the Irish people and paid their faire share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny365 View Post
    The Catholic Church has many streams of income from mass collections to Priests getting donations for christenings, weddings offering masses etc. This country is in the midst of Austerity and poor and low paid workers in society are taking a hard hit. The Catholic Church has charitable status, should the Government look at changing this? The Catholic clergy have committed heinous crimes against the Irish people and Children in particular. Paying tax may show the people that they Church wants to contribute to Irish society? Is it time as a wealthy organisation like the Catholic Church showed solidarity with the Irish people and paid their faire share?
    Sure how could they pay tax when they cannot afford to pay the staff.

    Bishop Martin signed off on illegal pay cuts - Independent.ie

    Bizarre ruling by the Rights Commissioner



    A Rights Commissioner ruled that employment law was breached when the wage cuts were imposed on three workers without their agreement.

    However, despite being found to be in the wrong, the commissioner ruled the archdiocese did not have to repay the staff because of its precarious financial position.

    The staff involved in the case were hit with pay cuts despite refusing to sign a letter authorising the archdiocese to reduce their salaries.

    The row is now set to deepen as the workers have lodged an appeal with the Employment Appeals Tribunal after failing to win compensation.

    The pay cuts introduced by the archdiocese last year ranged from 5pc to 5.8pc for two-thirds of staff, while the higher paid workers took a reduction of between 8pc and 8.7pc.

    Around 55 staff are employed in the archdiocese's Central Pastoral and Administrative Services section.

    Even the lowest-paid staff in the archdiocese were not spared, with those earning less than €25,000 hit by a 5pc pay cut, in a bid to save €500,000.

    Clerical assistant Maria Malone, accounts assistant Anne Smyth and secretary Mary Dent wanted the deduction imposed in January last year to be returned. It is worth in the region of €1,461 to €2,700 a year each, or between €28 and €52 a week.

    t is understood that a fourth individual has also taken a case against the archdiocese in relation to the pay cut.

    Rights Commissioner John Walsh said the workers' complaint that their wages were deducted without their agreement was "well founded".

    He said there was a breach of the Payment of Wages Act, as there was no provision in their contracts that allowed the archdiocese to make any change to their terms and conditions of employment. In addition, the staff had not given their prior consent in writing for the pay cuts.

    However, he said it was reasonable to make no award given the archdiocese's financial difficulties.



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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny365 View Post
    The Catholic Church has many streams of income from mass collections to Priests getting donations for christenings, weddings offering masses etc. This country is in the midst of Austerity and poor and low paid workers in society are taking a hard hit. The Catholic Church has charitable status, should the Government look at changing this? The Catholic clergy have committed heinous crimes against the Irish people and Children in particular. Paying tax may show the people that they Church wants to contribute to Irish society? Is it time as a wealthy organisation like the Catholic Church showed solidarity with the Irish people and paid their faire share?
    Oh yes they should pay tax and back taxes for all the years they evaded it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny365 View Post
    The Catholic Church has many streams of income from mass collections to Priests getting donations for christenings, weddings offering masses etc. This country is in the midst of Austerity and poor and low paid workers in society are taking a hard hit. The Catholic Church has charitable status, should the Government look at changing this? The Catholic clergy have committed heinous crimes against the Irish people and Children in particular. Paying tax may show the people that they Church wants to contribute to Irish society? Is it time as a wealthy organisation like the Catholic Church showed solidarity with the Irish people and paid their faire share?
    Should the rest of the clubs around the country pay tax on the donations made by their members? The RCC and other churches (don't know why you just single out one unless your sectarian?) pay tax where appropriate such as income from businesses, VAT, and individual priests and lay employees pay tax on their earnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pippakin View Post
    Oh yes they should pay tax and back taxes for all the years they evaded it.
    (Tax) evasion suggests that where there was a tax liability, there was a concerted action to evade that liability.

    What liability in Tax Law was evaded?
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    did work for them over the years very hard to get money out of them feckers

    god loves you but he needs money
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    (Tax) evasion suggests that where there was a tax liability, there was a concerted action to evade that liability.

    What liability in Tax Law was evaded?
    There needs to be a bat people get hit with, one side saying "avoid" and the other "evade". Beatings will continue until people understand the difference.

    Basically the question is if religious institutions (You couldn't just do it to Catholic church) should be unregistered as charities. No, not for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny365 View Post
    The Catholic Church has many streams of income from mass collections to Priests getting donations for christenings, weddings offering masses etc.
    Yeah, the church is just rolling in cash these days, from the throngs of people packing out churches at weekends

    There was a piece written about these a few years ago that found that priests were living on €22,000 per annum. Churches are struggling to get the cash to cover basic maintenance. The lions share of surplus church assets have been sold to cover legal fees and compensation.

    So what exactly is their "fair share"?

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    Considering religion is really just a hobby taken way too far, I would say a resounding yes.

    As for the CC being a 'charitable institution', that's hilarious.
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    Yeah people need to stop watching the Borgias and think of the math here. If they have to pay tax then they're entitled to social welfare. I'm guessing the local Imam ain't making that much.
    I'm living in America, and in America, you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business. Now f***ing pay me.

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