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    Generally, the tendency is to think of European international boundaries as immutable due to relative cultural homogeneity, but this excellent Eurominority map explodes this myth by radically redrawing the continental atlas. Spain, containing the most familiar minorities, gets the biggest shake-up, but Occitania (the Provencal-speaking region), proves much larger than expected, Samiland (Lapland) occupies a huge Scandinavian wedge, and many of the smaller groupings may well be hitherto unknown to even the most culturally-aware P.ie member.
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    But the province of Valencia is not in Catalonia. They are fierce cultural rivals. As for showing Northern Ireland as being Ireland, with a tricolour and the Irish language, well? And most importantly of all they forgot the Republic of Cork.

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    Valencian is just another dialect of Catalan, though - there's a story (possibly apocryphal), of how Spain had to translate EU legislation into Catalan, the Valencian Generalitat demanded a translation into "Valencian" and both documents were identical, but labelled differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloatingVoterTralee View Post
    Valencian is just another dialect of Catalan, though - there's a story (possibly apocryphal), of how Spain had to translate EU legislation into Catalan, the Valencian Generalitat demanded a translation into "Valencian" and both documents were identical, but labelled differently.
    You do know that Valencia was a kingdom distinct from Catalonia. Valencian and Catalan are two different languages as they have a different origin and a different linguistic evolution throughout many centuries in different social-linguistic, political-cultural and geographical spaces. However, it is obvious that all the Neo-Latin Iberian languages have a high degree of similarities and seem much alike.

    The ancient Valencian language was spoken by the Roman-Iberian people and their descendants who continued living in the Valencian territories after the conquest of the Roman-Gothic Hispania by the Moors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadaist View Post
    But the province of Valencia is not in Catalonia. They are fierce cultural rivals. As for showing Northern Ireland as being Ireland, with a tricolour and the Irish language, well? And most importantly of all they forgot the Republic of Cork.

    The flag of the republic over N.I. just denotes the source of the language. However for consistency they should also have used the Catalan flag to cover the speakers in Sardegna. There are several omissions here, for example the Hungarian speakers in Northern Serbia and North Western Romania, The German speakers in Belgium etc
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    I may be misreading it, but they also seem to think the sorbs in Eastern Germany are Serbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riadach View Post
    I may be misreading it, but they also seem to think the sorbs in Eastern Germany are Serbs.
    Yes, they are called the Sorbs as Serbs (incorrect, although both are Slavic) although they are using the Sorbia rather than the Serbian flag.

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    "Generally, the tendency is to think of European international boundaries as immutable due to relative cultural homogeneity"

    By whom?
    The borders of europe have continually shifted throughout history and will shift again
    Most have come about from war and are based on compromises, some like that between Luxembourg and France are pretty meaningless
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    Quote Originally Posted by forest View Post
    "Generally, the tendency is to think of European international boundaries as immutable due to relative cultural homogeneity"

    By whom?
    The borders of europe have continually shifted throughout history and will shift again
    Most have come about from war and are based on compromises, some like that between Luxembourg and France are pretty meaningless

    Exactly, long before the EU (or EEC) you could travel within Benelux without any border checks. Over 90% of European countries have seen their borders change or have suffered invasion in the last 100 years.
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