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    Default Peter Hitchens: We surrendered to the Provisional IRA - Northern Ireland not really part of UK



    An interesting clip from the BBC, in which Peter Hitchens claims, that in 1998 the British Government – under pressure from the Clintons – surrendered to the Provisional IRA.

    When the presenter points out that the IRA did not achieve Irish reunification, Hitchens remarks that it is merely a matter of time and that the present interim arrangement has only been constructed to allow Sinn Fein to put the structures in place for its eventual and gradual realisation, with the six counties becoming distinctly less British as the years pass on.

    It’s difficult to disagree with much of what he’s said. It seems there is a degree of realism creeping into the mind-set of the British Right.

    I’m not sure this realism will be shared among the British nationalists in the north, they seem to prefer a head-in-sand approach, hence the furore over the removal of the Union flag.

    So many shredded promises: we’ll never sit in Government with Sinn Fein, we’ll never allow the Maze to be redeveloped, we’ll never allow Policing and Justice Powers to be devolved to the north, we’ll never allow them to take down our flag...

    Hitchens has them sussed out.

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    I'd have had more faith in what his brother used to say. This guy is a confirmed space-daddy believer and believes in 2,000 year old tales from the Arab desert.

    Those are dubious foundations on which to lay claim any knowledge of the modern World.

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    Hitchens is right, but not about the PIRA, who did not achieve their aims whatever SF may say after the fact.

    Northern Ireland is different to every other part of the UK because it is a colonized portion of somebody else's territory - Ireland. This is not the case for Scotland, England and Wales.

    If you had sawn off a portion of the British Raj populated with Anglo-Indians and maintained that it was part of the UK, not India, it'd be much the same, and equally as unstable in the long term.
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    You're going to love 'em!
    "What Michael Collins accepted in '22,De Valera accepted in'27 and Gerry Adams accepted in '98.Sooner or later they all come around to accepting the Treaty"

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    I can't imagine quoting Hitchens except for as an example of a self deluding, self publicising professional contrarian in a debate about useless hacks
    Ya wouldn't want to have seen t happening but if Eammon Mc Cann and Bernie Devlin conceived a child, ideologically, it would be me

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    There's some truth in what he says and some rubbish, and who's that hottie?

    Most non-extremists know that what we have here is a compromise, and the sooner we embrace it the better. This 'cultural war' craic is not doing anyone any good. Both sides need to face the reality that there can't be a clear winner if we're ever to really move on.
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    The prod plan was for a huge pile of fenian corpses
    The pira plan was for the brits to flee via helicopter ala vietnam.( a que of minibuses at the ferryport being not nearly as photogenicpetunia)
    The british goverment plan was for the whole sorry mess to go away.
    The spook plan was its a secret
    Given that none of them were very realistic everyone involved had various moments of being irrational a messy compromise is the best that can be achieved.
    The end state is either subsumed into some euro superstate or some messy dual nationality federal setup. That satisfies no one.
    have you met a loyalist Suggesting they really should become part of a united ireland would be like suggesting a space marine has sweaty man sex with an an Orc.

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    The thing about the NI situation is everyone knows that SF/DUP have been the big winners for the GFA but nationalists as a whole have been the biggest winners. Step by step the 6 counties are turning greener with Antrim the only true unionist stronghold left, tick tock.
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    Don't mind him. This is the same clown who also thinks the Brits have surrendered to "political Islam". The guy rights for the Daily Heil so should be roundly mocked. I truly feel sorry for his now deceased brother Christopher to have shared a sibling so utterly bonkers as this guy.

    A good exposé of Hitchens:
    Peter Hitchens - RationalWiki

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishWelshCelt View Post
    The thing about the NI situation is everyone knows that SF/DUP have been the big winners for the GFA but nationalists as a whole have been the biggest winners. Step by step the 6 counties are turning greener with Antrim the only true unionist stronghold left, tick tock.
    That is cloud cuckoo land talk there.

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