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    Default 7% pay cut on the cards for public servants if Croke Part 2 is rejected - Howlin

    The alternative to CPII is a 7% flat rate pay cut across the board according to Brendan Howlin in today's Independent.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29175544.html

    It is strange that Howlin is taking this stance now considering that his leader Eamon Gilmore was of the view, based on an article in the Independent on 25th February 2013 that:

    "I have always believed, both in respect of this agreement and its predecessor, that it's best if political parties stand back from that process and give to people who work in our public services the respect and the space that they need in order to make a decision on the outcome of these discussions,"
    Gilmore appeals to opposition to stay silent on new public sector deal - Independent.ie
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddiefly View Post
    Still be Europes highest paid and least efficient even with a 7% cut , maybe they should try 70%
    Maybe indeed.

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    Ah blackmail. Labour, champagne socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddiefly View Post
    Still be Europes highest paid and least efficient even with a 7% cut , maybe they should try 70%
    What do you do for a living Freddie? Let us know won't you so we can peddle some baseless myths about your line of work and make calls that your pay should be cut by what ever random figure feels good that particular day.

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    Good, let him go and do it. Personally I would be happier not to give these f uckers the comfort of the air cover they would get from throwing it back in our faces on the doorsteps saying CP2 was accepted by the unions......like it was nothing to do with the Government.

    When they do legislate for pay cuts across the boards, what happens to the sweetheart deals negotiated with some sections of the PS who stayed in the talks. It's going to piss so many people off, those who stayed in the talks, those who left, those under €65k etc. Let the Government deal with the mess....they created it.

    I am left wondering what will happen to all of the other aspects of CP2, extended working hours, loss of flexi leave and cuts in the number of annual leave days? How will the Government achieve these....can they or will they legislate for these?

    Don't get me wrong, I am acutely aware that this banana republic is totally f ucking screwed and we are looking into a decade of misery re austerity. My wife and I are both down a considerable amount of money with the pension levy etc. We are living from pay cheque to pay cheque as it is. We will just have to suck it up and find the money to pay the Household Charge and forthcoming water charges at a time when my pay will be cut further under CP2. My wife and I know we are the fortunate that we still have our jobs. But hey, we are at rock bottom, our morale is on the floor. The Govt will get their payroll savings whether we vote for it or not, so let them do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustno1 View Post
    Good, let him go and do it. Personally I would be happier not to give these f uckers the comfort of the air cover they would get from throwing it back in our faces on the doorsteps saying CP2 was accepted by the unions......like it was nothing to do with the Government.

    When they do legislate for pay cuts across the boards, what happens to the sweetheart deals negotiated with some sections of the PS who stayed in the talks. It's going to piss so many people off, those who stayed in the talks, those who left, those under €65k etc. Let the Government deal with the mess....they created it.

    I am left wondering what will happen to all of the other aspects of CP2, extended working hours, loss of flexi leave and cuts in the number of annual leave days? How will the Government achieve these....can they or will they legislate for these?

    Don't get me wrong, I am acutely aware the this banana republic is totally f ucking screwed and we are looking into a decade of misery re austerity. My wife and I are both down a considerable amount of money with the pension levy etc. We are living from pay cheque to pay cheque as it is. We will just have to suck it up and find the money to pay the Household Charge and forthcoming water charges at a time when my pay will be cut further under CP2. My wife and I know we are the fortunate that we still have our jobs. But hey, we are at rock bottom, our morale is on the floor. The Govt will get their payroll savings whether we vote for it or not, so let them do it.
    "Decade of misery and austerity"?? We are already 6 years in and things continue to get worse. Try 25 years on for size.

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    This is no time for sentiment, we passed that when we hit €200bn national debt and looks like a big bank recap is on the way as well. It's bottom line time. Bottom line is that the PS still enjoy 17% pay premium, source ESRI, after adjusting for older ages and education. End of story. If they don't support CP II, legislate and face the long outstanding confrontation that is needed to clip back PS trade union power to something closer to normal.

    For over nearly two decades, Ireland has been benighted by a shadow Government where a labour pricing fixing organisation representing less than one in six workers engaged, in the latter stages, in self enrichment to the point that when the burst came the pay premium was closer to 30%. There will never be another opportunity to force a confrontation while under the grip of creditors.

    The alternative, promulgated by Jack O Connor et al is that we should pay more taxes -so that his chums can enjoy the privilieges he negotiated for them over the years and of course maintain the lavish remuneration of union chiefs benchmarked to highest pay levels in the PS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mocame View Post
    What do you do for a living Freddie? Let us know won't you so we can peddle some baseless myths about your line of work and make calls that your pay should be cut by what ever random figure feels good that particular day.
    I'm assuming its a job for an employer who has enough money to pay him because they didn't enter into a vote buying industrial relations exercise. That same employer is happy enough to continue to pay their wages out of their own revenues because they value their employee through constant performance evaluation.
    So start with myths for that type of employee.
    ANGER IS A POLICY, GET OFF YOUR KNEES

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    What about Quinn's "money will be found by cuts to frontline services" statement the other day? Labour are all over the place on this. Pitiful to see "Socialists" threatening workers.

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    For heavens sake the employer and the employees are the same. There's no gravy left on the train, that drained away when the national debt went from €47bn to €200bn. This isn't about a glorious old style struggle between the shady capitalist and the set upon worker with no rights. It isn't 1913.

    There's a reason 70% of the workforce isn't unionised. This is struggle within the privileged class, not one of whom on a permanent contract lost their jobs during a calamitous economic depression. This is purely about protecting privileges.

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