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    It is well known at this stage that the Catholic Church has a new Papal leader, a seemingly humble and simple Jesuit from Argentina.

    What perhaps is not so well known, is that before his recent death, another Jesuit Cardinal laid out the path for his inevitable election by pointing out that "Our culture has aged, our churches are big and empty and the church bureaucracy rises up, our rituals and our cassocks are pompous," (Martini said in the interview published in Italian daily Corriere della Sera.)

    In final interview, Cardinal says Church 200 years out of date | Reuters.

    Given that the new Pope has eschewed pomp and ceremony at every opportunity, isn't it fair to say that the culture of pomp and ceremony within the Catholic Church has necessarily been given the heave at the behest of the advice of the now deceased Jesuit Cardinal Martini, and now being implemented by his fellow Jesuit?

    It should be said also, that when the new Pope Bergoglio was offered the Papal Cape, he refused, reportedly saying, "the carnival is over"!

    Thoughts anyone?
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    When will they realise? It's about the crazy stuff they expect people to believe. You can elect cardinals who wear sackcloth and sit in ashes and it will make no difference. No one believes that stuff anymore. Game. Over.

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    http://www.politics.ie/forum/culture...s-pompous.html

    OP rehashing something he posted 6 months ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post
    It is well known at this stage that the Catholic Church has a new Papal leader, a seemingly humble and simple Jesuit from Argentina.

    What perhaps is not so well known, is that before his recent death, another Jesuit Cardinal laid out the path for his inevitable election by pointing out that "Our culture has aged, our churches are big and empty and the church bureaucracy rises up, our rituals and our cassocks are pompous," (Martini said in the interview published in Italian daily Corriere della Sera.)

    In final interview, Cardinal says Church 200 years out of date | Reuters.

    Given that the new Pope has eschewed pomp and ceremony at every opportunity, isn't it fair to say that the culture of pomp and ceremony within the Catholic Church has necessarily been given the heave at the behest of the advice of the now deceased Jesuit Cardinal Martini, and now being implemented by his fellow Jesuit?

    It should be said also, that when the new Pope Bergoglio was offered the Papal Cape, he refused, reportedly saying, "the carnival is over"!

    Thoughts anyone?
    He never said "the carnival is over". He merely politely refused to wear it. It's a tabloidy comment.

    I'm afraid whatever about this guys intentions, he is too old to all but merely scratch the surface if, indeed, he intends to change anything substantive that would actually make a difference to people in europe, at least.
    "......... we must sometimes listen to those who, consumed with zeal, have scant judgment or balance. To such ones the modern world is nothing but betrayal and ruin.........We feel bound to disagree with these prophets of doom who are forever forecasting calamity -- as though the world's end were imminent."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44percent View Post
    When will they realise? It's about the crazy stuff they expect people to believe. You can elect cardinals who wear sackcloth and sit in ashes and it will make no difference. No one believes that stuff anymore. Game. Over.
    People are very capable of making their minds up without anyone "expecting" them to believe anything. How credible are you with your sweeping statements. How would you know that "no one believes" anything. A little sackcloth and ashes might bring you down to earth.

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    Just 200 years?

    Guttenberg invented the printing press in 1439, Newton's Principia was in 1687, though I suppose Darwin didn't publish till 1859...

    Mad pig-ignorant slave cults that demand people Believe in a load of bug-eyed fairytales for which there is zero evidence and which are flatly contradicted by all observation and experiment undertaken for hundreds of years now, can only survive in ignorant oppressed and poverty-stricken societies.

    Ye are howling at the moon lads, religious gibberish has had its day, get over it and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post
    Given that the new Pope has eschewed pomp and ceremony at every opportunity, isn't it fair to say that the culture of pomp and ceremony within the Catholic Church has necessarily been given the heave at the behest of the advice of the now deceased Jesuit Cardinal Martini, and now being implemented by his fellow Jesuit? ...
    Martini figured among Bergoglio's favourite authors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francophile View Post

    People are very capable of making their minds up without anyone "expecting" them to believe anything. How credible are you with your sweeping statements. How would you know that "no one believes" anything. A little sackcloth and ashes might bring you down to earth.
    If you belong to the RC church you are expected to believe. The whole belief thing is over. Time to grow up.

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    Gays are known for being spendthrifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44percent View Post
    If you belong to the RC church you are expected to believe. The whole belief thing is over. Time to grow up.
    I don't believe you.

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