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Thread: Does this government care about National Sovereignty in any way?

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    Default Does this government care about National Sovereignty in any way?

    Fine Gael and Labour are two parties which have never being very keen on Irish sovereignty. Despite FG claiming to have their origins in 1916 and the war of Independence they represent the continuity of John Redmond and Irish Parliamentary Party. Essentially the IPP wanted a government with limited powers in Dublin but within the British Empire. John Bruton best represents this tradition as he placed a portrait of Redmond in the Taoiseach's Office while grovelling to the British Monarchy. Essentially these types regret ever breaking the link with Britain and since 1973 have gone cap in hand to the Germans and French for a new Empire to rule over them and secure their landed and business interests.

    Labour claims to descend from Connolly and his socialist-republicanism. I haven't enough time to give an historic critique of the Labour Party but essentially in the 70s the party was taken over by westbrit intellectuals like Conor Cruise O'Brien who despised Irish culture and hoped that by handing the country over to Brussels, european civilisation and social-democracy might rub off on us.

    This government have done nothing to return sovereignty to the people. We have no control over fiscal or monetary policy. Kenny and Gilmore are happy to hand over all powers to unelected technocrats who are unnaccountable to the Irish people. The Dáil is a worthless talking shop and Ireland has become a province under the jackboot of German bankers in Frankfurt.

    Of course Fianna Fáil are no better. They are the worst type of pseudo-republicans. Under Lemass FF began to become the party of builders and shady businessmen. This eventually led to Haughey and his gang of criminals taking over the party. The descendants of the provisional IRA cannot be trusted either.

    Does anyone care about Sovereignty anymore? Should we just lie down and accept the Supernational (ie German) government of Europe?

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    I reckon this government would rather collect the expenses going to London or Berlin than collect the expenses going to Dublin for government business.

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    I hope you're feeling better now you've got that off your chest!

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    Gombeenism is about offering services to an imperial overlord, while using their clout to keep the peasants in check.

    We never got free of gombeenism in our culture. In fact in the past two decades it reared it's ugly head, and it went rampant. It is the predominant ideology in Irish politics. Just look at Gimmemore pretending to stand up to the EU, and crumbling after a few PR stunts. Yet, his missus never backed down for years in an eight year negotiation with the OPW (who were directed by her employer).
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Look at this rubbish from Gimmemore for example

    "The euro is our own currency, it is the money in our pocket," said Mr Gilmore.

    "It's lunatic economics to suggest you collapse your own currency - nobody in their right mind suggests that - the impact of that for our workers, for our services, for our country.

    "We need to take the sensible and responsible route in relation to our currency. A 'Yes' vote would ensure our currency is stable."


    Gilmore slams 'lunatic' euro claims - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

    Ireland had a stable currency before the euro called The Punt. It was a currency we could genuinely control and call our own yet you Quislings destroyed it.

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    How much accountability did you see when we had sovereignty?

    Actually, when did we have sovereignity?
    "No." - Rosa Parks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honecker View Post
    Fine Gael and Labour are two parties which have never being very keen on Irish sovereignty. Despite FG claiming to have their origins in 1916 and the war of Independence they represent the continuity of John Redmond and Irish Parliamentary Party.....
    Thats quite a strange view of how Fine Gael emerged.

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    Beautiful currency wasn't it? Especially compared to that ugly Teutonic currency we carry around in our pockets today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Tubbs View Post
    Thats quite a strange view of how Fine Gael emerged.
    Why? Do you think that IPP and all their supporters just disappereared off the face of the earth in 1918?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honecker View Post
    Beautiful currency wasn't it? Especially compared to that ugly Teutonic currency we carry around in our pockets today.

    I presume you're joking.
    "No." - Rosa Parks

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