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    The Irish Times reports today that Health spending is to be subject to monthly reports to the Troika who will track over-spending and take the necessary corrective actions:

    Government has 'nothing to fear' over monthly troika reports on health spending - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Wed, Apr 03, 2013

    While recognizing the need both to generally move towards a balanced budget and specifically to more effectively manage the finances of the health service, the suggestion that our government would hand over control of the level of healthcare provided to us is surely a step too far. Healthcare must be sacred, a right that must never be subordinated to economic interests or purely economic measures, and determination of the level of provision must never be assigned to those whose interests are far removed from the concerns of the middle and lower income groups who will be most impacted by this move. This is where the government must draw a line and say a simple NO. They must reaffirm their commitment to a quality health service as a principle and a goal that is simply not for negotiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    The Irish times report today that Health spending is to be subject to monthly reports to track over-spending and take the necessary corrective action:

    Government has 'nothing to fear' over monthly troika reports on health spending - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Wed, Apr 03, 2013

    While recognizing the need both to generally move towards a balanced budget and specifically to more effectively manage the finances of the health service, the suggestion that our government would hand over control of the level of healthcare provided to us is surely a step too far. Healthcare must be sacred, a right that must never be subordinated to economic interests or purely economic measures, and the level of provision must never be assigned to those whose interests are far removed from the concerns of the middle and lower income groups who will be most impacted by this move. This is where the government must draw a line and say a simple NO. They must reaffirm their commitment to a quality health service as a principle and a goal that is simply not for negotiation.
    Healthcare should be sacred; yes

    But not at all costs

    And certainly not so that tens of thousands of administrators receive multiple of the average industrial wage behind the facade of sacred healthcare

    Let's have some reasoned discussion on the nation's ROI on healthcare rather than some puerile argument derived from sentimental sacred cows...

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    Everything is up for grabs except the pay and pensions of our political masters. Health,social welfare,education,corp tax etc.. it's all on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveL View Post
    Healthcare should be sacred; yes

    But not at all costs

    And certainly not so that tens of thousands of administrators receive multiple of the average industrial wage behind the facade of sacred healthcare

    Let's have some reasoned discussion on the nation's ROI on healthcare rather than some puerile argument derived from sentimental sacred cows...
    I have no problem with them dealing with the excess administrative infrastructure, but I don't believe it will end there - and I am not prepared to tolerate them dictating a reduction in patient care.

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    Sailor, you forgot the bit where the Irish healthcare budget is to be debated in the German Parliament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    Sailor, you forgot the bit where the Irish healthcare budget is to be debated in the German Parliament.
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    The Irish Times reports today that Health spending is to be subject to monthly reports to the Troika who will track over-spending and take the necessary corrective actions:

    Government has 'nothing to fear' over monthly troika reports on health spending - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Wed, Apr 03, 2013

    While recognizing the need both to generally move towards a balanced budget and specifically to more effectively manage the finances of the health service, the suggestion that our government would hand over control of the level of healthcare provided to us is surely a step too far. Healthcare must be sacred, a right that must never be subordinated to economic interests or purely economic measures, and determination of the level of provision must never be assigned to those whose interests are far removed from the concerns of the middle and lower income groups who will be most impacted by this move. This is where the government must draw a line and say a simple NO. They must reaffirm their commitment to a quality health service as a principle and a goal that is simply not for negotiation.
    This is precisely what people meant when they said that calling in the IMF effectively surrendered our sovereignty.

    Basically, whether this interference is appropriate or not, we can do absolutely nothing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Thanks!
    The findings will be discussed by a series of financial committees in the Irish and German parliaments and published before the troika's next inspection later this month.
    BUSINESS WORLD - Troika want monthly Irish health updates

    Another link for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I have no problem with them dealing with the excess administrative infrastructure, but I don't believe it will end there - and I am not prepared to tolerate them dictating a reduction in patient care.
    indeed but any failings to deal with administrative waste, overspend and deliberate misspending are ours..

    Our govenrment should be protecting patient care at all costs but they aren't... the system is protecting itself at cost to the patient... this is not the troika's fault

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    Public healthcare has bankrupted the modern world. Let everyone get insurance including 'the poor'. I make exceptions for those born with disabilities or who can otherwise demonstrate their medical condition was caused by force majeur.

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