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    Default American War Veterans : aftermath of the conflict.

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    I don't know if the name of American Army veteran Tomas Young means anything to folk here.

    The man enlisted with the armed forces after 9/11 attacks.
    Young wanted to enlist to fight in the war in or against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    Instead of being sent to Afghanistan, Young found himself being deployed to Iraq to conflict he objected to.
    He never fired a shot while in Iraq, he says.
    He says that if he had been deployed to Afghanistan, he would have been prepared to fight and to open fire in that conflict.


    Subsequently Young was victim to a snipers bullet in Iraq and as a result of this he was left paralysed.
    In 2008, he suffered a pulmonary embolism and he health has rapidly deteriorated as a result and he is now near quadriplegic with on going health issues

    After years of campaigning to oppose the Iraq war, Young has decided that he has enough and will refuse all medication and food and water so that he can die because he says that he is sick and tired.
    Young says that he considers George Bush and Dick Cheney to be criminals.

    Tomas Young, disabled veteran, tells audience he’ll commit suicide | The Ridgefield Press

    Iraq war veteran preparing for death - World News | Latest International News Headlines | The Irish Times - Sat, Mar 30, 2013

    On a separate issue, 22 American veterans attempt suicide per day.

    The number of American war veterans who have been injured as a result of the conflicts number in the tens of thousands.
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    My brother-in-law was in the US Marines in Iraq. When he came home he suffered from PTSD, night terrors, and his personality changed completely. Despite that, they tried to send him back there, and it took an intervention from a US Senator to stop it happening (he is fine now and studying to be a medic). The way that the veterans of the conflict were looked after upon return home was, and is, appalling.

    More to the point, though, is I wonder how many disturbed or PTSD-suffering soldiers were sent back there - and what they might have done faced with innocent Iraqi civilians that they were too jumpy to distinguish from combatants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    My brother-in-law was in the US Marines in Iraq. When he came home he suffered from PTSD, night terrors, and his personality changed completely. Despite that, they tried to send him back there, and it took an intervention from a US Senator to stop it happening (he is fine now and studying to be a medic). The way that the veterans of the conflict were looked after upon return home was, and is, appalling.

    More to the point, though, is I wonder how many disturbed or PTSD-suffering soldiers were sent back there - and what they might have done faced with innocent Iraqi civilians that they were too jumpy to distinguish from combatants.
    Frightening to think. At one point they were even asking some vets out of retirement they were that short of personnel.

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    I often imagine that being a war veteran, is a really nasty experience.

    Especially when you figure out later in life that what you thought you were fighting for and what you ACTUALLY were fighting for, are two totally different things.
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    Saddam Hussein was a fascist dictator responsible for mass murder and crimes against humanity. He is dead and gone and Iraq has a democratic government and a chance at a future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUrJokingMeRight View Post
    I often imagine that being a war veteran, is a really nasty experience.

    Especially when you figure out later in life that what you thought you were fighting for and what you ACTUALLY were fighting for, are two totally different things.
    A lot of people figure it out while they are in the military. In fact, some of the most politically clued up people --and those most cynical about politicians and their motivations-- you will ever meet are military folk. Makes sense that they have some curiosity about why their lives are on the line, and who they are being asked to kill, and why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitch 22 View Post
    Saddam Hussein was a fascist dictator responsible for mass murder and crimes against humanity. He is dead and gone and Iraq has a democratic government and a chance at a future.
    So you care more about Iraqi lives than you do about American lives? Are you an Arab nationalist of some description?

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    EUr: you make a very good point.

    In Young's case even though he got deployed to Iraq he made the decision not to fire a single shot over there.
    In many cases people enlist for many different reasons and those reasons presumably begin to crystallise.

    Sense of Wonder : yes, former soldiers like John Kerry realised pretty quickly what the reality of political decisions meant for soldiers.

    Whether one agrees or disagree with the wars, it would appear that you have a situation in America where there are people who have seen recent combat being discharged the military.
    In many cases these people have been exposed to appalling experiences.

    It is difficult for me to comprehend how anyone having had that exposure could adjust normally to civilian life afterward.
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