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    Default Labour and the abolition of Town councils

    This has come up on the Meath East thread, and will be lost in the discussion, but I think it merits a thread of its own.

    Currently, legislation is being drawn up to abolish town councils, and reform county councils into Municipal Districts, with wholescale changes in voting areas.

    These changes will only take place if the legislation is passed.

    Do people now think, that the Labour Party may oppose such changes, in the hope of perhaps saving some portion of their town councillor base, or will they risk heading further into oblivion by losing a huge portion of elected reps post the changes

    The fact that this legislation is being brought forward by Phil Hogan, will also give Labour rebels another opportunity to have a kick at a Minister that they feel is in a large part responsible for their predicaments with the public..

    Do people think it is possible, likely even, that Labour may decide .. in the interests of local democracy of course ... to reject this legislation ? And if so, what effect might it have on ongoing relations within the Labour Party itself, and the wider Government ?
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    Some Labour Town Councillors are unhappy about Hogan's proposals. Now is their time to go vocal

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockofcashel View Post
    This has come up on the Meath East thread, and will be lost in the discussion, but I think it merits a thread of its own.

    Currently, legislation is being drawn up to abolish town councils, and reform county councils into Municipal Districts, with wholescale changes in voting areas.

    These changes will only take place if the legislation is passed.

    Do people now think, that the Labour Party may oppose such changes, in the hope of perhaps saving some portion of their town councillor base, or will they risk heading further into oblivion by losing a huge portion of elected reps post the changes

    The fact that this legislation is being brought forward by Phil Hogan, will also give Labour rebels another opportunity to have a kick at a Minister that they feel is in a large part responsible for their predicaments with the public..

    Do people think it is possible, likely even, that Labour may decide .. in the interests of local democracy of course ... to reject this legislation ? And if so, what effect might it have on ongoing relations within the Labour Party itself, and the wider Government ?
    Interesting point. The Town Councils at present allow Labour to maintain a level of representation in areas - and indeed counties - they otherwise wouldn't have any representation. True, the new areas being between 10 to 6 seats will allow them to maintain representation in some areas, but its highly unlikely that even a ten seater will elect a Labour Cllr outside metropolitan areas and (parts of) the commuter belt...

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    You are suggesting that the Labour Party refuses to reform local government in the interests of the Labour Party?
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    The added seats in the commuter belt and Dublin County Councils will be attractive to Labour along with the bigger EA's. The likes of Clare going from 32 to to 20 odd seats are not going to worry Labour. There is enough new seats in the greater Dublin area to make it attractive overall for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    The added seats in the commuter belt and Dublin County Councils will be attractive to Labour along with the bigger EA's. The likes of Clare going from 32 to to 20 odd seats are not going to worry Labour. There is enough new seats in the greater Dublin area to make it attractive overall for them.
    Not sure the rural wing of the Labour wing will be quite so excited...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    You are suggesting that the Labour Party refuses to reform local government in the interests of the Labour Party?
    I think what he's saying is that individual Labour deputies will refuse THIS reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casualbets View Post
    I think what he's saying is that individual Labour deputies will refuse THIS reform.
    In the interests of the Labour Party, and not the interests of the people and reform of local government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casualbets View Post
    Not sure the rural wing of the Labour wing will be quite so excited...
    They don't really matter in the overall scheme of things as far as Labour are concerned. They are focused on the Greater Dublin Area, then the other cities with rural areas coming a bad 3rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    In the interests of the Labour Party, and not the interests of the people and reform of local government.
    It's not abundantly clear to me that these reforms are in the interests of the people and of local government.
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