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    Default Time for Labour to refuse to enter coalition with either FG or FF ever again.

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    Default Time for Labour to refuse to enter coalition with either FG or FF ever again.

    Nobody should be surprised in the least by the Labour vote in the Meath East by-election, especially Labour party members of the generation of the current leadership. Every time Labour goes into a coalition government they get a disproportionate share of the blame, and hammered in subsequent elections. Gilmore and co. surely must have fully understood the consequences of entering the current coalition from the very outset, particularly as harsh economic measures were so visibly inevitable. The most rational conclusion for doing so therefore is that the party leadership have one eye firmly on ministerial pension entitlemments that result from going into government.
    Common sense would dictate that the Labour party should stay out of coalitions in order to force the two conservative parties, FF and FG, to enter coalition together for the first time, (it would be far more natural anyway), and in turn compel Irish people to consider a clear left of centre alternative to the permanent state of centre right government that Ireland has experienced since the foundation of the State. In my view it is the only long term strategy which can deliver this.
    The Labour Party going into coalition as the junior partner will never call the shots, and doing this time and again, reminds me of Einstein's observation that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
    The Labour Party have been betraying left of centre voters for that last 90 years by entering coalitions as the weaker partner, and it is time to call a halt, stand firm and build a long term strategy for winning power alone.

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    Time for the other parties in the Dail to refuse to form a coalition with champagne socialists, maybe.

    The Looper Party leadership are merely another form of exploitation of working people (along side FFinished) by leading them up the garden path, and then lying to them.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Boy View Post
    Nobody should be surprised in the least by the Labour vote in the Meath East by-election, especially Labour party members of the generation of the current leadership. Every time Labour goes into a coalition government they get a disproportionate share of the blame, and hammered in subsequent elections. Gilmore and co. surely must have fully understood the consequences of entering the current coalition from the very outset, particularly as harsh economic measures were so visibly inevitable. The most rational conclusion for doing so therefore is that the party leadership have one eye firmly on ministerial pension entitlemments that result from going into government.
    Common sense would dictate that the Labour party should stay out of coalitions in order to force the two conservative parties, FF and FG, to enter coalition together for the first time, (it would be far more natural anyway), and in turn compel Irish people to consider a clear left of centre alternative to the permanent state of centre right government that Ireland has experienced since the foundation of the State. In my view it is the only long term strategy which can deliver this.
    The Labour Party going into coalition as the junior partner will never call the shots, and doing this time and again, reminds me of Einstein's observation that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
    The Labour Party have been betraying left of centre voters for that last 90 years by entering coalitions as the weaker partner, and it is time to call a halt, stand firm and build a long term strategy for winning power alone.


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    They practically said this in 1992, won some 19% of the vote and 33 seats under the Spring Tide and still went in with FF and later FG and we all about the trashing they got in 1997 for doing this. Labour are whores to FG and FF. They want power and can't get it without being in government with either party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Time for the other parties in the Dail to refuse to form a coalition with champagne socialists, maybe.

    The Looper Party leadership are merely another form of exploitation of working people (along side FFinished) by leading them up the garden path, and then lying to them.
    Wouldn't disagree with any of that, but Ireland needs a moderate left of centre alternative to FF and FG, not pretend socialists like Sinn Fein, who will eventually morph into another version of FF anyway, or any of the various looney-left alternatives

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Boy View Post
    Ireland needs a moderate left of centre alternative
    Do we fvck!

    It's bad enough that FG, and the FFailures before them, are deficit spending like it's going out of fashion.

    €100 Billion new debt taken on in 5 years to fund German levels of government spending, and Greek levels of public service provision.


    What we need is a Party which understands the value of money, understands the difference between earned money and borrowed money, and which will put the medium/long term success of our society ahead of short term political point scoring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RahenyFG View Post
    They practically said this in 1992, won some 19% of the vote and 33 seats under the Spring Tide and still went in with FF and later FG and we all about the trashing they got in 1997 for doing this. Labour are whores to FG and FF. They want power and can't get it without being in government with either party.
    You could say that about FG as well.

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    Let them stay out of gov for 800 years of misery and oppression at the very least.
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    Labour need talent and ability, not student union leaders and far left liberals that are so disconnected from the ordinary people. Rabbite/Gilmore/Bacik are just spoofing career politicos that have very little in common with their target audience.

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