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    Britain has somehow managed to make itself out to be some sort of noble country. A country who had the best interests of the people of the world in its heart. This folly has astonishingly taken stranglehold and now we’re always told ‘it’s time to move on and stop living in the past.’ The past is all forgotten by the Brits, but with the Provo’s? Well, no, of course not. After all, the I.R.A. and the so called ‘dissidents’ are the real criminals. Look at Omagh, although there is no correlation with the Beirut bombing in 1985 and other bombings by the yanks and the Brits. When America or Britain does anything remember, they have a democratic mandate. Take that Bobby Sands!

    How has this happened? Well, the British people were never really bothered about what their government was up to, even when they were beating the life out of them. In Ireland, the reason for love and admiration for the Brits is because of revisionism and the counter revolutionaries that took over from the British. With this intoxication of the revisionist historians and state propaganda, a mad lie has been promulgated that the Brits were not that bad. Verily, some, such as Gay Mitchell and the poppy wearing TD’s of Fine Gael, want to go back to Her Majesty (even though the tide wouldn’t take them out).

    There are books by British historians who leave out much of their crimes, the opium wars being one of the most obvious cases of British criminality. Britain is a country that has invaded 90% of the world’s population. Eventually and thankfully, their empire has collapsed, sadly replaced by the American one. Perhaps what Churchill should have said was ‘the problem with imperialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples countries to exploit’ instead of ‘the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend’.

    There was nothing romantic about the British Empire. It was a scumbag empire, with scumbag soldiers, orchestrated by a sectarian and genocidal scumbag government, and supported by a beguiled and deluded populace for centuries. With Famines all over the place, blood spilled everywhere, rape, pillaging, exploitation, support of dictatorships, genocidal sanctions and more, it had all the prerequisites for a modern horror film. A few are often too cowardly to say they were like the Nazi’s. Well they were, except they actually did manage to exterminate a race, unlike Adolf, for example.
    The modern revisionists and the defenders of this cancer on the planet will point towards other empires and say ‘this is the way they all acted’ or ‘the Spanish empire was worse’. Yes, ‘they killed more then us’, a fantastic argument. Except that the Brits held themselves up as the greatest people on earth and the greatest nation on earth doing god’s work. A load of pig feces is what that was and we should never forget what they did in this country and countries all over the globe.

    The examples here are only a few examples. There have been big ones left out, such as India, where their botched policies resulted in constant Famines, which, unsurprisingly, stopped when they left India. We know this thanks to the work of the famous economist Sen. But I am sure it was the weathers fault, natural disasters or something else like that. Not the Brits fault. They were a ‘benign empire’ as one newspaper claimed not so long ago.

    Biological warfare: Eat your heart out Hitler


    The deleterious and odious warfare by the British against the Native Americans whose land they were on was a sickening act. During the Siege of Firt Pitt, when the ‘beasts’ got uppity, the British generals found a solution of what to do with the barbarian tribes of natives. They attempted to exterminate the Natives who were fighting back and all of their families by flooding blankets with small pox into their tribes. Colonel Henry Bouquet recommended: ‘I will try to inoculate the bastards with some blankets that may fall into their hands, and take care not to get the disease myself.
    That was one case. The British had before, gotten some of the less aggressive natives plastered. This was to be done so the British could intoxicate them (some had never touched alcohol) and get them to sign over their land. Once the land was robbed, they were booted out. This nasty phase in British history is given only slight attention by a book with insane revisionism, by Lawrence James.

    The Opium Trade: Britain, the Tony Montana of Government Drug Dealing

    Often, a rather tenuous and erroneous accusation is accused of republicans and so called ‘dissident’ republicans about dealing drugs. No evidence is ever produced and no convictions ever shown, but who needs facts and figures? They killed innocent people!

    Now, our ‘benign’, egalitarian, democratic, civilised and magnanimous friends across the pond have a record of selling drugs and their economy and trade with China was the sole purpose for their drug dealing. They were used to getting the Natives intoxicated for their land, but this was solely for economic purposes, with a few strategic things as part of their cultured and glorious ways. The Chinese were not as gullible as the Native Americans.

    As we are all too aware, the level of historical debate has dropped precipitously. Madmen who claimed to have interviewed dead people are still taken seriously and that’s just the historians who look at the history of Ireland, ostensibly objectively. Then we have the historians of the noble British Empire. Take Denis Judd’s fairy-tale of the British Empire, ‘Empire’. 500 pages of bollix and not one mention of the nefarious drug trade. ‘Oxford’s History of the British Empire’ barely mentions the opium trade. The editor, Andrew Porter, probably forgot about this period, or probably, as Judd did, ignored it because it was a disgusting part of their already tainted legacy.

    The British were the Tony Montana of the drug trade back in the good old days when they were allowed run riot against the ‘uncivilised’ peoples of the world. The East India Company, a mafia in my opinion, was given domination over the opium trade by the good natured Brits. The level of drugs imported to China was quite staggering and would make Nidge out of Love/Hate raise an eyebrow or two. By 1838, over 2,500 tons of opium was being smuggled into China. Britain was running a trade deficit with China, but their drug dealing soon changed all that. Suddenly, the democratic and noble Brits were in extensive surplus, and they used this to import tea and silk and much more. Not only for the good of England but for the good of her subjects worldwide, particularly in India, who cherished and loved her kind rule.

    There was one problem with all of this, opium was illegal in China. Now, the Chinese were no angels themselves, so let’s not give that flaccid justification of: ‘As bad as the Brits were…….’. The Brits through merchants, managed to smuggle in opium, which had devastating effects on the people of China. A conservative figure of 10 million people were believed to be hooked on opium at one point. The Emperor’s lackey, Lin Zexu, was sent out to stop this despicable trade and it soon led to the first Opium War. Lin cracked down with impunity on the drug trade and attacked smugglers and users alike. He eventually got hold of the British merchants and they eventually acquiesced and gave up their opium, which the Chinese eviscerated. But the ‘uncivilised’ did not know what was good for them. The British were about to teach them an almighty lesson, in their own, unique and heroic way.

    The British were expelled from Canton and they set about the acquisition of Hong Kong. The mad British lunatics, after flooding China with drugs, demanded compensation for the destruction of their wicked drug. Not only that, they wanted a few Treaty ports, opium to be available for the masses and the complete handing over of Hong Kong to satisfy their need for their British lebensraum, something they lusted for, in their own mad ways for centuries.

    Thus, began the Opium War. An Irish friend, Lord Palmerston, who whilst a bit tipsy, said the Famine in Ireland was good for them and that it was an extermination, had a grand old time in China too. When the British sent an expeditionary force to carry out the ‘white man’s burden’ and sort out those asinine Chinese, he said that this ‘will form an epoch in the progress of the civilisation of the human races’. Not really progress getting a nation hooked on opium, one would have thought?

    Philip Haythornthwaite’s 'The Colonial Wars Sourcebook', quotes a British officer who says that ‘The Poor Chinese’ had two choices, either they ‘must submit to be poisoned, or must be massacred by the thousands, for supporting their own laws in their own land.’ When the British went on to take the port of Jinhai, they took the gloves off and gave the ‘uncivilised’ Chinese no mercy! The price for the port of Jinhai? 3 British soldiers. The number of Chinese dead? 2,000. Technology was key in these times.

    The British were aware of the destruction they were causing. Unlike the Irish Famine where they were confused when starving people were walking miles for food only to be told there was none, the British had a bit of a moment of realisation about the Chinese plight. Lord Jocelyn said of people in an opium house that they looked like skeletons and that it was a direct result of opium. Not only that, but it made them idiots, but, a job was to be done, ‘however hateful it may appear’ the trade is ‘a source of great benefit to the Indian government, returning I have heard a revenue of upwards of two million and a half yearly’.

    There was of course, the faux concern from the British animals in their antediluvian parliament, much like the faux concern about the Irish Famine by some, but the lunatics were never too far away of espousing their insane jingoism. So a mad British savage, wrapped himself in the union jack, the Secretary of state for war, Thomas Macauley. There was to be no talk of stopping what was happening in China. Britain was/is a ‘country unaccustomed to defeat, to submission, or to shame.’ Indeed, until they couldn’t control the Chinese anymore and left the place for good, fearing a hiding, a bit like how the Iraqis kicked them out and how the Afghans are giving their illiterate lumpenproletarians a good hiding at the moment.

    Much like the American nonsense today, were Clinton says he was anti-war and Obama, but they perpetuate warfare, the British were no different, it may shock some to hear. When the man who brought in Maize to Ireland’s starving people, causing mass dihaoreaa, came to power, Robert Peel, they continued the war and eventually won the war and got their way, even Hong Kong, but crucially, not the full lot, the legalisation of opium. They didn’t go away and eventually, got their way, but not before a good old pillaging for old times’ sake. James Matheson was aware though that the unforgiveable English people, who never saw a bullet on their shores, yet gladly cheered on their army to conquer other peoples’ land, knew that what was going on in China was ineffably egregious. He said: ‘The opium trade is now so very important in England that we cannot be too caution in keeping as quiet and out of the public eye as possible.’
    There were two more opium wars and eventually, the Brits got it all their own way. Oh, they also supported their enemies against egalitarian Christians and that war killed about 20 million people. Don’t expect a TV3 show to be made titled ‘For Queen and Country’ and it to mention any of this, at all. The Opium Wars, vanished from the pages of British and Irish history.

    Ireland: Exploitation, racism, murder, butchery and Genocide


    Unlike during the 20th Century, where it could be argued that the Brits were a rather benign occupying force, given the context of 20th Century history, Britain’s occupation before the 20th century of Ireland led to cataclysmic catastrophes.
    Britain’s policy of lebensraum in the North of this country lead to centuries of sectarian violence and their mien before but especially after this is one of the nadirs of their hated imperialistic adventures. The Ulster Plantations, Cromwell, and onwards, there were no bounds to what the British would do to this country. Cromwell has his place rightly as one of Ireland’s most hated enemies. He had promised to wipe out the ‘barbarous and bloodthirsty Irish and all their adherents and confederates’. Not all the paddies were wiped out however, though a great number were. After ten years of war, in 1652, the slaughter of the Irish and a good Famine in the mix helped to reduce the population from 1,500,000 to 850,000. It was one of the worst genocides in Ireland. It is no wonder Hitler loved the British Empire, Cromwell wanted to completely remove the Irish from Ulster and force them into Connaught, a lot like what Heydrich wanted to do with the Russians with his sinister plans. Not only all of this genocide, rape and pillaging, Cromwell was also a pimp and sold many Irish off as slaves. He was nothing more than a complete cretin of a man and a complete and utter religious nutcase. The British settlers were Protestant jihadists (the name inspired by a book about British jihads) and that is not hyperbole. Centuries later, Ian Paisley would confirm that the war was between good and evil and the triumph of Protestantism over Catholicism ‘the last bastion of Evangelical Protestantism’ if my memory is correct. Yes, and I am fully aware that the Catholics got up to know good as well. Particularly the much now hated Catholic Church, under Pope Innocent (ironic name) who would fund William of Orange.

    Just as in the 6 counties after partition, Catholics would be on the receiving end of a good walloping all across the island. Whether it was not being allowed to vote, own land, having to pay special taxes, not allowed carry arms, or the tithe system of paying for the Church of England, or whether it was just a good old fashion pounding, the British made sure the Taigs knew their place.

    Some know all of this, but choose not to say anything ‘it’s in the past’ and all of that. Thankfully, Tim Pat Coogan has finally grown a pair and called the biggest atrocity in this country under the Brits for what it was, ‘genocide’. The genocide during the biggest – one of many you see – Famines in Ireland’s history and one that was ruthlessly allowed to happen, with little help given. Not even this genocide though could Britain’s ignominy be criticized. An Australian dingbat once told an audience to stop blaming the British on the Famine and look at it as ‘a shared experience’.

    The British during the Famine crisis in Ireland were bereft of any compassion for their Irish subjects. Verily, many, such as Malthus and Trevelyan saw the Famine as a good way to reduce the growing number of paddies. Their ameliorations were disastrous, such as Peel’s Maize import, which gave many of the starving people of Ireland diseases and more. Despite some timid progressive moves by Peel, when Russell’s government came to power, the true nature of the British government (bloodthirsty, callous, capricious, and cannibalistic) would be shown.

    The public works programs (roads to nowhere) and the pathetic soup kitchens did little at all to save lives. When an Irish delegation went to visit Russell’s government to plead for more relief, they were met with the pages of The Wealth of Nations with Russell impervious to the devastation that was happening in Ireland. Not all of the British were genocidal maniacs. A few resigned and demanded that more relief be sent to Ireland.

    The Chief poor Law commissioner for Ireland, resigned because, as Clarendon explained: ‘the destitution here is so horrible, and the indifference of the House of Commons so manifest that he is an unfit agent of a policy that must be one of extermination.’ Colonial secretary Earl Grey said:

    ‘My Lords, it is only by its government that such evils could have been produced: the mere fact that Ireland is in so deplorable and wretched a condition saves whole volumes of argument, and is of itself a complete and irrefutable proof of the misgovernment to which she has been subjected. Nor can we lay to our souls the ‘flattering unction’ that this misgovernment was only of ancient date, and has not been our doing…. Such a system of government could not fail to leave behind it a train of fearful evils from which we are suffering at the present day.

    We have a military occupation of Ireland, but that in no other sense could it be said to be governed: that it was occupied by troops, not governed like England.’
    Greys quote is very accurate. Take evictions. A few grovelling traitors love to propagate this folly of ‘they were Irish landlords’. It is a swinish attempt to expiate for the British Empire they would love to cosy back up with. The Irish landlords were backed up, by the British army and British policemen. People were dragged out of their houses, left to die in fields, in front of their children or on the benevolent landlord’s ships during emigration. Just to be sure, roofs were ripped off the houses to make sure the paddies didn’t get uppity and return back or start squatting.

    What was the response from the British at this murder? Contempt! Take Lord Brougham, who said: ‘undoubtedly it was the landlords right to do as he pleased, and if he abstained he conferred of favour and was doing an act of kindness…..it was the landlord’s undoubted, indefeasible and most sacred right to deal with this property as he wished.'

    The Doolough Lake incident really shows the callous brutality of imperialism and British imperialism. A plethora of people had been told to present themselves at Louisburgh to be scrutinised to see if they deserved relief tickets. They were told to turn up at Louisburgh, but were then instructed to go to Delphi Lodge, over 10km away. They somehow managed to get there, starving and destitute, and when they did, the gallant and noble British commissioners were busy stuffing their faces. The group were told to wait.

    After the commissioners had finished their insatiable appetite, they strutted out and told the group of people that they had no food for them. A desperate plea for food was made, but the guards of the Lodge got rid of them and they all eventually died on their way back to Louisbrough, following a track along Doolough Lake.
    Coogan in his book about the Famine wrote of this incident:

    ‘I visited the memorial on a July day. The sunshine was countered by a cutting breeze that whipped around the mountains, and it was bitterly cold. After pausing for a few photographs, I was only too glad to get back into the car and turn on the heater. How the barefoot, half-naked starvelings felt during the hail and snow showers of March 1849 is best left to the imagination.’
    Indeed, but what of the traitor Irish landlords working for the British, some involved in their government? Their genocidal sentiments speak volumes. As in Nazi Germany, some little scumbags like Himmler couldn’t stomach what they were doing and puked up once they saw the reality. Russell was similar. He said ‘the murders of poor cottier tenants are too horrible to bear’, but, the real or spurious concern of Russell did not really matter. Genocide was to be the dish of the day.

    The Irish traitors Lord Palmerston and Lord Clanricarde really were the purest example of British indifference. Palmerston showed some faux concern about having friendly evictions, but Clanricarde wanted death. All naughty tenants who would not leave their homes should ‘go away by daylight, nothing is left but to force him out by night, and so he is forced out on a winter night and dies of cold and starvation by the roadside.’ Forced out by British guns, by the British state, for queen and country.

    Then the viceroy went further, Lord Clarendon said: ‘I would sweep Connacht clean and turn upon it new and English money just as one would to Australia or any freshly discovered colony.’ The final solution to the ‘Irish Problem’. Clanderon also said about the Irish dying that ‘these people…. deserve to be left to their fate.’ Trevelyan’s propaganda machine, ‘The Times’, said of the Famine. ‘For our parts, we regard the potato blight as a blessing. When the Celts once cease to be potatophagi, they must become carnivorous.

    The relief was pathetic, the stoppage of food exports genocidal (O’Grada can say it wouldn’t have made a difference all he wants. How can you say it wouldn’t have made a difference, if lives would have been saved? Be it one life or 20,000? As Bernard Shaw pointed out ‘When a country exports food, there can be no famine’ and we were exporting much food. Although, sign of the times I suppose, the paddies never had enough money to eat pig and other things and the Brits were only acting as any other empire would have) and the most sickening thing was the compensation paid to slave owners in the 1820’s. 8 million pounds was all that was given to Ireland for Famine relief. Contrast that with the compensation of slave owners (one of their great achievements, ostensibly ending slavery) which was 20 million pounds and you really see them for what they are: Vermin, of the highest order. Not only that, large Irish speaking areas were also eviscerated and the rape of a defining feature of one’s nation was further hurled into the dustbin.
    Would the British have allowed the English people to starve to death? It is highly unlikely, although you wouldn’t put it past them. They needed their Monarchy loving populace to go out and give the Africans and Asians a merciless old beating. James Connolly encapsulated the Great Irish Genocide. Speaking of ‘the Famine Queen’s’ reign over Ireland:

    ‘This glorious reign Ireland has seen 1,225,000 of her children die of famine; starved to death whilst the produce of her soil and of their children labour eaten up by a vulture aristocracy – enforcing their rents by the bayonets of a hired assassin army in the pay of the “best of the English queens”’.
    The British were, surprisingly, never interested in democracy on this island or any other country they occupied. They ignored the rights of Irish people to self-determination for centuries, discriminating against the majority of Catholics, allowing the poor to die in a genocide and much more. They also cemented sectarianism on this island with partition. They cowered to unionist terrorism before (although they really agreed with it) and when the majority of people on this island voted for some form of independence, the British capitulated again, ignoring democracy and called Óglaigh na hÉireann ‘terrorists.’

    What they allowed to happen in the North of this country was praised by the architect of Apartheid in South Africa, Dr. Verwoerd. Internment, corrupt and sectarian policemen, banning of political organisations, prohibiting of meetings, gerrymandering the state or later on, fining people for putting up flags or putting them in prison for flying flags, the British allowed a ‘Protestant Parliament for a Protestant People’ to become a sectarian hellhole. One Unionist Prime Minister said ‘I would not have a Catholic around the place.’ ‘Yeah, but the Free State ethnic cleansed………’

    After upholding this state for decades and when their settlers eventually started burning people (Catholics) out of their homes because of reforms, the British then acted as self-described ‘peace keepers’. They did this by curfews, random killings, internment and shooting civil rights protesters, to which their rather crazed supporters today blame on the people who were shot. This is all the result of the British legacy in Ireland.

    It hasn’t gone away, as they are still in the North, Afghanistan and claim a few other places, but we are seeing the end of British hegemony completely. As James Connolly screamed when the Boers gave them a hiding: ‘Three cheers for the end of the British Empire!’ Indeed, a chara, we can only hope to see the day when their empire completely collapses, along with their genocidal friends in America.
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    Kenya: White man’s burden. Or was it?


    The genocide denying, drug trafficking ignoring, English historians and their Irish lackies who would kill a million Irishmen to go back to the crown, love to ignore history and reality and pretend that the British Empire was some sort of civilising mission. Yes, it has been said before that maybe we shouldn’t care what the Brits did to Mau Mau, after all, they were savages. They gave ‘like with like’. Ignoring the part of occupying someone’s land and putting racist settlers on their land and imposing harsh measures on the natives, yes, it’s a fair point. However, we are told incessantly that the British Empire were a good force for the world, teaching the ‘nigg*ers’ as Lloyd George called them, how to be civilised. However, why should the most enlightened nation and people on earth, who were led by god, have to lower themselves to the morals of the Africans?

    ‘Decolonisation’, when the Brits left peacefully (actually, they left because the empire was fading and the scumbags could no longer plunder the world with impunity) after exploiting many of their colonies, was not as peaceful in Kenya as with their other subjects. The settlers, much like the bizarre religious fundamentalists in the North of Ireland, couldn’t live without their flag and their queen, so they put up a fight, unlike the people of Ghana, Nigeria, Tanganyika and Uganda, who were only too happy to get rid of the racist scum.

    When whitey came over in 1895 and later on brought some of his mates, there were a few little ‘dissident’ blacks who had no democratic mandate and subsequently, were terrorists. They didn’t quite understand the democracy of the Brits: we conquer you, exploit you, do our lebensraum and when you fight back, call you terrorists saying you hate democracy. From the Kikuyu, the Nandi, and others, many fought, but their efforts were in vain. The settlers were getting out of control and even the Brits had to make sure the public didn’t know (not that the ‘Great’ British public would have gotten off their arse and did anything). In 1908, there was a report in Kenya about forced labour and London said: ‘It must on no account be published’. To which an official, who read the report stated: ‘One might almost say that there is no atrocity in the Congo –except mutilation – which cannot be matched in our Protectorate.’

    The Mau Mau had popular support in Kikuyu, with General George Erskine reckoning that 90% were behind the movement. Now, the Mau Mau were no angels. For example, they killed 70 Loyalists in what is known as the Mari massacre, were women and children were killed. ‘They deserved what they got’ screams the Irish cabbage. Yes, by that logic, Kingsmill was a legitimate massacre, because it was a response to the killing of six innocent Catholics by loyalists. So, there can be no ‘they were bad too’ excuses to expiate for British crimes. The Brits were, after all, the white man, with the right or is it white religion? They should have acted better, but they didn’t.

    The Brits supported the settlers in their destruction of the Mau Mau and the civilian population. From Operation Anvil (where over 20,000 people, including children, were interned without trail). This operation ended up in destroying the trade union movement, were workers who held a union card were also interned without trial. At the end of 1954, 77,000 people were interned without trial. Sadly, this was only the worst of it. The torture that took place was off the scale in terms of barbarity, and as will be pointed out later, it hasn’t gone away.

    The policy of villigisation, which ended up with over 1,000,000 people having their homes and possessions destroyed (a bit like how British supported death squads in East Timor ran wild looting Dili, according to the U.N). Where the people went, they faced starvation, poverty and had no civil liberties at all. Worst of all, the police committed some of the most nefarious torture that this planet has ever seen, since the times of the Aztecs. You won’t be finding this in your ‘benign empire’ news articles.

    Of course, the Mau Mau were scum, so all was OK. However, it was not OK, what the Brits did was tantamount to Mengele in the camps. The historian Robert Edgerton, who has conscientiously studied the Mau Mau, has described a typical police interrogation:

    ‘If a question was not answered to the interrogator’s satisfaction, the subject was beaten and kicked. If that did not lead to the desired confession, and it rarely did, more force was applied. Electric shock was widely used, and so was fire. Women were choked and held under water; gun barrels, beer bottles, and even knives were thrust into their vaginas. Men had beer bottles thrust up their rectums, were dragged behind Land Rovers, whipped, burned and bayoneted.’
    Caroline Elkins did research into the conduct of the magnanimous Brits in Kenya. She interviewed many settlers who were in the Kenyan Police Reserve. One gallant told her how went into a Special Branch interrogation center to check up on a suspect and had:

    ‘Stayed for a few hours to help the boys out, softening him up. This got a little out of hand. By the time I cut his balls off he had no ears and his eyeball, the right one, I think, was hanging out of his socket… he died before we got much out of him.’
    It really was something out of the film ‘Hostel’. I understand that many Irishmen, who welcomed over her majesty, will not believe this, now we’re all friends. It was only the lovely Michael Collins and boys who suffered oppression, playing football and messing with guards’ heads in a Welsh Internment camp after trying to overthrow the occupation. Internment camp is hyperbole, it was a holiday camp. Also, killing innocent people was no longer accepted ‘ANYWHERE’ in the world after the Tan War. Ant-Treaty I.R.A, and the rest after that were wrong, as killing people was no longer accepted. However, the Omagh pontificators were never able to pluck up the courage and condemn the British for the killing they were doing and supporting in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s 90’s and even today. No, no!

    What of the British crimes in Kenya? Some mickey mouse trials, far little and far too late. The damage has been done. The rape and pillage of the Kenyans can never be washed away. Well, it is washed away in the minds of the average paddy Irishman and paddy Englishman, who think there was a romantic occupation of Ireland. But for the families of the Kenyans raped by the British, their pain still goes on.

    World War 2: A fight for freedom, or was it?


    Now, when it comes to bull*************************, big time, major league bull*************************, you have to stand in awe, in awe at the British claptrap about the fight for freedom. Paraphrasing George Carlin a bit, the absolute crap that Britain fought for the freedom of the world is ludicrous. The obvious contradiction is that the Brits had a myriad of countries under occupation whilst they were fighting for freedom. Regardless of that, their actions after the war (won by the Americans and Russians) were not one of peace promoting egalitarians.

    After a botched attempt at intervening in Indonesia in 1945-46, the Brits would return later on to help General Suharto into power. What General Suharto did, was compared to Stalin and the Gulags, Hitler and Mao’s repression in China by the Central Intelligence Agency, a well know loony left organisation. The Brits helped him into power and helped him slaughter 500,000 supporters of the left, including many men, women and children. The British ambassador in Indonesia at the time, told the foreign secretary: I have never concealed from you my belief that a little shooting in Indonesian would be an essential preliminary to effective change.’

    The result of this? Oh, just the small matter of genocide in East Timor, supported diplomatically and financed military by Britain. Off came the gloves again, as the British allowed Suharto’s dictatorship to occupy East Timor and give those slippery Catholics a good hiding that made the Troubles seem like a joke of a so called conflict.

    Britain had been one of the leading suppliers of arms to the TNI, along with America, France and Germany (it must have brought back memories of the good old days when they took the gloves off too and give Jews, homosexuals and the disabled a right good hiding). They did this for a number of reasons, mainly to share in the spoils of the resources of East Timor and also to get nice prices on the profits of resources in Indonesia. Margaret Thatcher said of the Indonesian dictator and army, something along the lines of ‘I am one of you’. It is no surprising given this psychopath supported South Africa in killing around a million people, that’s not even mentioning what was going on inside South Africa. John Major was another bizarre character. The lunatic, when Óglaigh na hÉireann were firing mortars at Downing Street, was hiding under his desk, disturbed by those pesky Fenains who were interrupting his meeting about Iraq. Now, this chap, who had said he was opposed to supporting dictators, was supplying Indonesian forces with aircraft and much more, to be used in the genocide of East Timor. Alan Clark, remarked before this, when asked by John Pilger, did he not feel any remorse for what the British were doing, giving they were supplying weapons to support genocide. He said no, of course not. Then Pilger brought up his vegetarianism and asked of Clark, did he not see anything wrong about supporting genocide of human beings and being a vegetarian? ‘Curiously not, no.’

    T’was the United Nations who called what happened in East Timor genocide, when the TNI and the Kopassus death squad units (trained by the C.I.A.) ran wild with pillaging, rape, mutilation and more ubiquitous all over the country, particularly in Dili, where every home was raided by the TNI, with their possessions robbed, houses burned and themselves sent over to camps – or was it concentration camps? – to be dealt with. For the people in other parts of the country, the TNI whilst leaving, poisoned the water supplies, for example. It was a gargantuan massacre, supported by Britain, and funded by Britain in some way. They have the blood of over 50,000 (conservative figure) Timorese on their hands, as well as 500,000 Indonesians. Whilst they were bombing the bejaysus out of Kosovo to stop ethnic cleansing for ‘humanitarian’ reasons (something they openly admitted in internal documents was not happening until they started the bombing) they were supporting genocide in East Timor. Yes, 1999, when killing innocent people was no longer acceptable.

    Iran was shown what democracy really means. Democracy is good, if we like you, if not, you must acquiesce and face the consequences. In 1953, the democratically elected government of Iran was overthrown over oil control. The PM of Iran wanted some of the shares for his own people, but British Petroleum did not take too kindly to that idea. The British, with the C.I.A., overthrew the PM, with radical Islamists (who they’re using now in Libya and Syria, or is it al-Qaeda? The name keeps changing) and put in the Shah, whose brutality also knew no bounds. Another dictator, another couple of thousand people killed.

    Over to the right, Iraq was a country subjected to horrendous abuse by the British. They supported Saddam Hussein in doing much worse than what Churchill advocated. Of course ‘realpolitik’ is the word of the day, folks. All of this had to be done because the Iranians were a threat to the stability of the region (a problem created by the British and Americans themselves ‘but we have to make right our wrongs’) and Sadamm was an ally that was needed, but not wanted. Always an excuse for genocide. For example, we are told that Israel must exist because the Jews will be slaughtered anywhere else. A fair excuse, but when Sadamm was killing Jews in Operation Anfal, as well as Kurds and others, it was supported, by America and Britain. When developing WMD’s? Supported by Britain. Realpolitik, move along. Another interesting thing about Iraq and their relationship with America and Britain is that when Iraq ‘mistakenly’ hit an American ship, killing 37 sailors, it was brushed aside. No ‘we can’t stand by and do nothing’, nope. If Iran ‘mistakenly’ hits a US or British ship, killing even 10 sailors, we’ll see what happens. Amazing what one can do when an ally of America and Britain, even kill their own troops.

    When the decrepit dictator ran out of use and started getting ahead of himself, the people of Iraq had to pay. UN diplomats described sanctions on Iraq as genocidal and said that America and Britain were purposefully stopping them from bringing it to the world’s attention, banning them almost. UNICEF has the figure of the number of children killed as 500,000. Of course, it was all Sadamm’s fault for not stopping what he was doing in Kuwait and on from there. The only way to stop a dictatorship is to cripple his people, which actually strengthened his position. But he and his regime did not capitulate, ergo, we had to keep killing people in his country. It was his entire fault.

    Later on, in 2003, Britain’s Vietnam War happened, where they lost, badly. A plethora of lies were told about this, lies about WMD’s, lies about 45 minute missiles being able to reach Britain, al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia and on and on. All of this turned out to be untrue, but the democracy spreading egalitarians were not to be stopped. With their half illiterate forces in Iraq, torture was bound to be on the cards. Rape, random firing on civilians, battering young children and more all happened with the British and their brave and noble boys. Of course, the amount of people killed in this was all a result of al-Qaeda and others killing, nothing to do at all with the British.

    Over in Uzbekistan, the mad Muslim Islam Karimov and his regime (which dishes out torture similar to the Taliban, no sorry, similar to Britain in Kenya), before he kicked the yanks out (now Obama has wiggled his way back in) took torture to a new level. Karimov offered the C.I.A the chance to carry out extraordinary rendition in Uzbekistan. They took up the offer. Some of Karimov’s tactics include boiling people alive, raping people with glass bottles or getting innocent civilians children, raping them in front of their parents and getting the parents to admit they are in al-Qaeda. When the British ambassador Craig Murray (who thinks that Britain has been good for Africa) brought all of this to the attention of his government, having read the reports and seen the show trials of people, he was forced out of office and told to keep his mouth shut by the British. The British supported this and his protests were very peevish. He was booted out. Another dictator supported by Britain to add to the list. But this one was really egregious in his torture. This is all part of the humanitarian aid package that comes with freedom.

    Assad, who the Brits want out now, was not too long ago, a good friend of the Brits and Tony Blair, whose off with the Catholics now, best of luck to him. He was even in the Jacuzzi with Prince Harry at Buckingham Palace not so long ago. Joined with him, were some of the most nefarious dictators in the Middle East along with the mad Kings. During that most ineffable wedding, the whole gang of crooks and bloodthirsty rodents were all razing a glass to the new couple and Her Majesty, that sectarian old bag. Over in Dublin, Enda Kenny and the lads were too making a show of themselves, as well as Ryan Turbidy, chasing the queen and Prince in the unionist beverage producing Guinness’ grounds.
    Democratically elected socialist governments? Get the boat! We decide what is right. And how they did in Chile. Overthrowing democracy, and putting in a mad barking tyrant, whose neoliberal policies were detrimental to the people of Chile was not enough. Britain had to support this harsh regime to crush the loony lefties. What were Pinochet’s boys up to? The small matter of kidnapping the states enemies daughters, tying up their fathers, holding their eyes open, and making them watch their daughters being raped by dogs. Sometimes, dogs were of no use. Rats and tarantulas were also a good choice. Now, remember Maggie? When she was pretending to care about innocent people and saying ‘crime is crime’ she must have been what we all thought: a senile old bat. She had an unusually close relationship with Pinochet and praised him consistently. Britain’s relationship with the dictator of Chile was really disgusting in every form imaginable. ‘We’ll fight them on the beeches’, wasn’t it?

    That’s now the end of it, plenty of more other cases post War when the British acted as vandals. So, the next time Enda Kenny gets up and screams that Gerry Adams is a murderer, he should remind himself of whose arse he was licking a while ago. As for the people of the South, well, no doubt they are scandalised by ‘In the Name of the Republic’, seeing their heroes killing innocent people. No doubt, they won’t let go of that romantic notion of the old I.R.A. and they will continue to support American and British imperialism. As for the Brits, well, ‘they have been ************************************g things up for centuries’ as the priest told Bobby in ‘Hunger.’ We’ll never hear them apologise, oh sorry, Blair’s tenuous apology for the Famine, then off to Iraq to finish off Bush’s daddy’s job.

    As for their crimes, justice cannot be done on forums, by historians or by acknowledgment of the crimes. The crimes are cemented in history and cannot be changed. The Germans can never be rid of Hitler and National Socialism. In fairness to them, they have gone a great way to eviscerate that part of their history, in a good way. In England, we still see the same Monarchy, built on bloodshed, slavery and exploitation is as popular as ever and we saw in Ireland how the vast majority got on their knees for the queen.

    But some in Ireland and over the world still echo the words of James Connolly: ‘To hell with the British Empire’

    Eireann go Brách agus Tiocfaidh ár lá
    I hate money making men - Alexander Hamilton

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    Hello, I'm from the 21st Century, may I be of any assistance? You seem to have fallen behind somewhat.
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    A man who badly needs a hobby, or a pet, or a woman? Something anyway. Do you really think most posters even read this stuff after the first 3 lines?
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    he's saying that the media of the western world is as laden with propaganda, half truths and pro-empire bias as the media in any of the world's dictatorships. Also British history is portrayed in the media as being a series of noble campaigns to rid the world of whatever evil is prevalent in the particular era.

    In my experience, even ordinary British people on the street are either ignorant of or are only aware of sanitised versions of some of their own history and the atrocities committed by their government in the past and present.

    So I would say the OP has a fair point, although he may have put it more concisely.

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    Never forget.

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    I got most of the way through the first rant, only to find another one right after it.
    I'd like to point out, the British ruling classes treated their own people abysmally also.
    A few weeks before my grandfather died, he started dipping his feet in a bucket of lard.
    He went downhill very fast after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwithirony View Post
    Never forget.
    Well if you are never going to forget these atocities I presume you also will never forget the similar activities of all other colonisers in history such as the Herero and Namaqua Genocide of the Germans in what is today Namibia or the even worse atrocities the Belgians were responsible for in Congo ot the Argentinian campaign of extermination of the indigenous people of that land and dont forget the tons of other atrocities I could google if I was bothered, Stalin in Ukraine, French in Algeria, Japanese in China, etc etc etc.
    Wouldnt want to think you have decided that its only the past activities of the British that are never to be forgotten.

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    Ah the Brits are alright!
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