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Thread: Big protest marches in Paris against Gay Marriage plans - implications for campaigns in Ireland?

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    Default Big protest marches in Paris against Gay Marriage plans - implications for campaigns in Ireland?

    There was a very large rally today in Paris against French Government plans for the introduction of marriage between
    homosexuals.

    A report is available on the BBC Website: BBC News - Gay marriage opponents mass in Paris for final rally

    However, even more interesting is the analysis provided by the BBC in an earlier article published on Jan 29 as to why
    anti-gay marriage activists have been successful in getting out huge numbers for their cause.

    Link here: BBC News - France's gay marriage fight

    What lessons can both pro and anti-gay marriage campaigners in Ireland take from this mobilisation of large numbers of
    people for retention of the status quo? Opinions, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pat View Post
    There was a very large rally today in Paris against French Government plans for the introduction of marriage between
    homosexuals.

    A report is available on the BBC Website: BBC News - Gay marriage opponents mass in Paris for final rally

    However, even more interesting is the analysis provided by the BBC in an earlier article published on Jan 29 as to why
    anti-gay marriage activists have been successful in getting out huge numbers for their cause.

    Link here: BBC News - France's gay marriage fight

    What lessons can both pro and anti-gay marriage campaigners in Ireland take from this mobilisation of large numbers of
    people for retention of the status quo? Opinions, please.
    The protestors were bussed in from all over France. The catholic church has really went all out on this, just as they did in Spain. Thing is, the French government never does what outside interests want it to do.

    Gay marriage will probably pass easier in the French law making system now.

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    The first thing one needs to do when comparing Ireland to marches elsewhere is to work out the proportions.

    340k people out of 65 million is .5%, so an Irish equivalent would be roughly 25k or half as many people who protested the bailout in 2010 and the same amount who protested in Feb against Austerity.

    So how do the Anti side get 25k in Ireland out? (I'm disregarding the Pros because they don't need to show up. They're winning in the polls and in the legislature). The problem in Ireland right now for the Antis is, as outlined in the Beeb article, the only continuous objections are from the horribly crippled church. They need a non religious face to lead them against this, to focus on the family as the core in the constitution etc etc.

    Ultimately of course it won't matter. Marches very rarely matter. Polling matters. Polling influences decisions. The France number could be 350k, it could be 500k. The figures that matter is the 50+% who consistently say they're in favour of it in the polls.
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    It was a protest organised by the Catholic Church and the French far right, of which the latter are many.

    The likes of David Quinn think this something to be celebrated.

    The mind absolutely boggles.
    "......... we must sometimes listen to those who, consumed with zeal, have scant judgment or balance. To such ones the modern world is nothing but betrayal and ruin.........We feel bound to disagree with these prophets of doom who are forever forecasting calamity -- as though the world's end were imminent."

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    'Not so Gay Pari', would have been a better thread title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    'Not so Gay Pari', would have been a better thread title.
    Non Gay Parasan, even better surely.

    And I agree with Sync in that the pro's don't need to stage protests or shows of support they'll just turn up at the polls or they won't
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    Quote Originally Posted by eoghanacht View Post
    Non Gay Parasan, even better surely.

    And I agree with Sync in that the pro's don't need to stage protests or shows of support they'll just turn up at the polls or they won't
    What Poll?

    The French Politicians get to decide this

    - not the French People...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    What Poll?

    The French Politicians get to decide this

    - not the French People...
    You mean the French Politicians elected by

    -The French people

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    Quote Originally Posted by eoghanacht View Post
    You mean the French Politicians elected by

    -The French people

    In case you have noticed the gap between Politicians interests

    - and that of the People they supposedly represent

    - is an ever widening one...

    There, here and everywhere....
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    The tide is turning, when the French are in the streets protesting left wing political activities, the world is turned upside down. This is significant.

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