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    Some tough criticism of Israel today (finally):
    “But the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination, their right to justice, must also be recognized. Put yourself in their shoes. Look at the world through their eyes. It is not fair that a Palestinian child cannot grow up in a state of their own, living their entire lives with the presence of a foreign army that controls the movements of their parents every single day. It is not just when settler violence against Palestinians goes unpunished. It is not right to prevent Palestinians from farming their lands, or restricting a student’s ability to move around the West Bank, or displacing Palestinian families from their homes. Neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer. Just as Israelis built a state in their homeland, Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land.”
    A wakeup call for Israel.

    Will it soften Israeli rejectionism though? Will they let up on the issues Obama talks about: notably freedom of movement, expulsions of Palestinians, and settlement expansion as well as negotiations?

    Palestinians shouldn't have to wait hours at IDF checkpoints to move around the Occupied West Bank. It is especially wrong to force pregnant women to do so. Without freedom of movement, the Palestinian economy cannot grow, which means a failed state and more recruits for Hamas. Israel is shooting itself in the foot.
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    Words.

    At the end of the day what matters is what the US does, not what it thinks or says. Whenever Israel is isolated at the UN it can always count on Uncle Sam.

    Cut off funding. Then we'll see movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Some tough criticism of Israel today (finally):A wakeup call for Israel.

    Will it soften Israeli rejectionism though? Will they let up on the issues Obama talks about: notably freedom of movement, expulsions of Palestinians, and settlement expansion as well as negotiations?

    Palestinians shouldn't have to wait hours at IDF checkpoints to move around the Occupied West Bank. It is especially wrong to force pregnant women to do so. Without freedom of movement, the Palestinian economy cannot grow, which means a failed state and more recruits for Hamas. Israel is shooting itself in the foot.

    That's not tough criticism of Israel and it's not a wake up call for Israel either. Did you miss the parts of his speech that said "We have made it clear, time and again, that Israel cannot accept rocket attacks from Gaza, and have stood up for Israel’s right to defend itself. And that’s why Israel has a right to expect Hamas to renounce violence and recognise Israel’s right to exist."

    Did you notice he said "every country that values justice should call Hezbollah what it truly is – a terrorist organisation. Because the world cannot tolerate an organisation that murders innocent civilians, stockpiles rockets to shoot at cities"

    He went on to say "There is no question that Israel has faced Palestinian factions who turned to terror, and leaders who missed historic opportunities. That is why security must be at the center of any agreement. And there is no question that the only path to peace is through negotiation. That is why, despite the criticism we’ve received, the United States will oppose unilateral efforts to bypass negotiations through the United Nations."

    He was also very clear when he said "Palestinians must recognise that Israel will be a Jewish state, and that Israelis have the right to insist upon their security." He was very clear when he said "Israel is the most powerful country in this region. Israel has the unshakeable support of the most powerful country in the world."

    Regarding the future palestinian state he said "that real borders will have to be drawn. I’ve suggested principles on territory and security that I believe can be the basis for talks." Nothing about so called exact 67 borders, just principles on territory that can be the basis for talks.

    Now the parts of his speech you highlighted are what most Israelis agree with anyway.....two states for two peoples. But look at what he is very clear about which the palestinians will have an issue with - Hamas rejecting violence, the path to peace is through negotiation, Israel's security must be at the centre of any peace agreement, the palestinians must recognise Israel as a Jewish state, the US will oppose any efforts to bypass negotiations through the UN, and real borders will have to be drawn after negotiation. These are all Israel's demands already. And Obama went on to say Israel is the most powerful country in the region with the unshakable support of the most powerful nation in the world. He also came out with the very definite statement that the world should recognise Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation

    I think the palestinian side of the conflict would be more upset with his speech than the Israeli side. Israel would be quite happy with it. I thought it was a very good speech
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