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Thread: Pringle About To Introduce His Own Criminalise The Sex Purchaser Bill

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    Default Pringle About To Introduce His Own Criminalise The Sex Purchaser Bill

    Read it all here -
    http://www.thomaspringle.ie/?p=1971
    I have had some time for him up to now, he has done some good work and his father was treated despicably by the state (actually being saved from the hangman's noose by Chalie Haughey who at a cabinet meeting told them to commute his death sentence, Haughey for all his faults at least opposed state murder!), however on this issue, he needs to listen to views other than TORL and see sense! The proven fact is that the Swedish model as has been shown on the Prostitution Consultation Commitee on this board is insane and a very serious threat to the lives of very vulnerable women, as well as enabling traffickers and psychotic clients by driving the biz underground!
    Of course, Shatter and the lads will introduce their own criminalisation bill shortly and will not allow Pringle's bill to pass first!
    It's just band wagon jumping to appeal to what was traditionally the most conservative county in the Republic. this was due to the fact that so many of its young people joined the diaspora even if only down to NUIG and the damn poverty of the place!

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    Ireland's politicians are almost all collectivists. The instinct of a collectivist, whenever he is confronted by something he doesn't like, is to pass a law! The unintended cosequences are rarely considered. I fear you're fighting a losing battle on this one, General.

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    I live in Sweden at present.

    The Swedish law forced prostitution underground and turned Sweden into a traffickers paradise.

    Every town now has a trafficker or gang run brothel due, to the Swedish law. Just do a google search and you will find them.

    A law such as the Swedish law enacted in Ireland will lead to Ireland being flooded with trafficked women, girls and boys, who will be locked in houses to be used by clients. It will also lead to vulnerabe young Irish boys and girls being forced into brothels by gangs.

    The PR on this issue from the Swedish government is nothing but lies. In Sweden if they can hide a problem they will refuse to admit it even exists. In Sweden they used the prostitution law to make prostitution invisible. The biker gangs and traffickers then took over prostitution and flooded Sweden with trafficked women, girls and boys.

    If anyone has any sense at at, they need to make a stand against this proposal from Pringle.

    Prostitution is an issue that needs to be tackled. However hiding the problem does not get rid of it. All this proposal will do is sweep it under the carpet so that it will be out of sight and out of mind.

    Also Pringle needs to get one simple fact into his head. There are both male and female prostitutes, not just female.

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    It is like all Irish social legislation- mere pandering to one vested interest group or another and always groping for a unicorn of a vote.

    Whenever Irish politicians are faced with a real need for social legislation they run for cover immediately.

    And I cannot think of one occasion when they have ever actively investigated the consequences of any social legislation- mostly because that is a problem for another day and another debate.

    It is a small island with a small island mentality and that is particularly true of the small island politicians.

    There is never any danger of Irish politicians actually doing anything unique- every attempt at shaping law is always copied from somewhere else and never designed around the problem as it appears on the ground in Ireland.

    A colonial form of inferiority complex perhaps. If one were to actually endeavour to protect the lives of prostitutes one would not seek to drive their profession deeper into the shadows where existence becomes even more precarious and unseen.

    The fact that the Irish Government may seek to criminalise the clients is just another favourite way the Irish Government has as a culture of expressing 'disapproval' rather than actually dealing with an issue.

    In this debate the Government has made it as difficult as possible for anyone who actually knows the profession on the ground from actually taking part in the consultation- instead choosing to hear what it already knows it will hear from the likes of Ruhama, yet another fake lobby group dressed up to give the impression it 'represents' prostitutes.

    Another failure in a long line of failed attempts at Irish social legislation approaches with all the inevitability of the failures of the past.
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    Sweden is the rape capital of Europe - bar Russia -- thanks to the so-called Swedish model.
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    The United Nations holds official statistics on the number of convictions for rape per 100,000 people and actually, by that measure, Sweden has the highest number of convictions per capita in Europe, bar Russia. In 2010, 3.7 convictions were achieved per 100,000 population.
    Ruhama's trustees are the Sisters of Charity. It is a front for the Religious Right. The Left should resist getting into bed with them just because they sometimes couch their agenda in feminist lingo.
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    Make it legal and regulate it. Safer for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Sweden is the rape capital of the world thanks to the so-called Swedish model.Ruhama's trustees are the Sisters of Charity. It is a front for the Religious Right. The Left should resist getting into bed with them just because they sometimes couch their agenda in feminist lingo.
    Yes, Ruhama show every sign of being some front for catholic religious thought and are not considered representatives of the views of prostitutes anywhere except at Leinster House. And editorial elements at RTE which is not much different.

    They will send representatives I am sure to international conferences on the issue but they are more concerned with the catholic dogmatic view of 'fallen women who need to be helped to see the light' than they are with ensuring the views of prostitutes on their own profession are transmitted to the prostitutes who inhabit the biggest bordello in Ireland- the Oireachtas.

    They are also funded by public money- no one can explain why except that it is yet another catholic church front with its blood funnel stuck into the orifice of the state.
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    Private Members Bills never get off the ground anyway. To be fair to the govt they have not rushed into this.

    Even when govts agree with an Opposition Bill, they seldom pass it because they don't want the other side getting credit.
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    I am in favour of the legislation if it includes the bankers, quangocrats, and the so called professionals who are riding the taxpayer, and sending an extortionate bill on for services rendered !!!
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Sweden is the rape capital of Europe - bar Russia -- thanks to the so-called Swedish model.Ruhama's trustees are the Sisters of Charity. It is a front for the Religious Right. The Left should resist getting into bed with them just because they sometimes couch their agenda in feminist lingo.
    It is notable that the article you cite utterly refutes the point that you are making.

    In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics ... So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record.
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