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    The SF/IRA phrase is now part of normal speak for some anti-SF individuals, but was there ever a time in the past when Fianna Fail were addressed as FF/IRA? I know it can be classed as ancient history but FF had clear links to the Old IRA e.g. TDs, Councillors etc. Did FF enemies ever address them as FF/IRA and if not why not? Will SF lose the SF/IRA label when all the old guard retires or will the media and other anti SF individuals continue to use it mainly because of SFs economic policies etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    The SF/IRA phrase is now part of normal speak for some anti-SF individuals, but was there ever a time in the past when Fianna Fail were addressed as FF/IRA? I know it can be classed as ancient history but FF had clear links to the Old IRA e.g. TDs, Councillors etc. Did FF enemies ever address them as FF/IRA and if not why not? Will SF lose the SF/IRA label when all the old guard retires or will the media and other anti SF individuals continue to use it mainly because of SFs economic policies etc.
    So did Cumann na nGaedheal have links with the IRA, which in turn morphed into FG. 90 years is a lifetime a decade or less is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    The SF/IRA phrase is now part of normal speak for some anti-SF individuals, but was there ever a time in the past when Fianna Fail were addressed as FF/IRA? I know it can be classed as ancient history but FF had clear links to the Old IRA e.g. TDs, Councillors etc. Did FF enemies ever address them as FF/IRA and if not why not? Will SF lose the SF/IRA label when all the old guard retires or will the media and other anti SF individuals continue to use it mainly because of SFs economic policies etc.
    One reason would be that FF were never a political front for the IRA, they never stood over or supported a campaign of terror, never supported the deliberate targeting of civilians and in particular, for ROC's benefit, never supported the planting on no warning bombs in shopping centres.

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    SF/IRA was concocted by MI5 and it seems to be popular amongst the Cusacks, Williams, Bradys of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    One reason would be that FF were never a political front for the IRA, they never stood over or supported a campaign of terror, never supported the deliberate targeting of civilians and in particular, for ROC's benefit, never supported the planting on no warning bombs in shopping centres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    One reason would be that FF were never a political front for the IRA, they never stood over or supported a campaign of terror, never supported the deliberate targeting of civilians and in particular, for ROC's benefit, never supported the planting on no warning bombs in shopping centres.
    When did the IRA army council ever support the targeting of civilians? When did they ever begin an operation with the intention of taking innocent lives?

    Perhaps you are thinking of the heroic and noble O' Donovan Rossa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    The SF/IRA phrase is now part of normal speak for some anti-SF individuals, but was there ever a time in the past when Fianna Fail were addressed as FF/IRA? I know it can be classed as ancient history but FF had clear links to the Old IRA e.g. TDs, Councillors etc. Did FF enemies ever address them as FF/IRA and if not why not? Will SF lose the SF/IRA label when all the old guard retires or will the media and other anti SF individuals continue to use it mainly because of SFs economic policies etc.
    The thing is there were understandable reasons for the formation of the IRA.

    It could even be argued there were understandable reasons for their actions against the British state during the 'troubles'.

    They lost all legitimacy however, when they started targeting civilians by blowing them to bits in pubs, shopping centres, streets etc. both in NI and in Britain...

    Terrorism is the key here... and when they crossed the line into that they lost any legitimacy they may have had.

    As for SF, they were the 'political' arm of this Republican schizophrenia and remained so throughout all the atrocities...

    SF's current leader is reputed by many to have been deeply involved in those atrocities... and yet he fails to admit any of it...

    This taints all those who join SF and who are fine with being led by Gerry the Schizo imo...

    Cos if they're fine with his bullsh!t denials then God only knows what they'll be capable of and put up with if they ever get into power...


    As for the old IRA... completely different thing altogether...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protestant/Catholic=Irish View Post
    When did the IRA army council ever support the targeting of civilians? When did they ever begin an operation with the intention of taking innocent lives?

    Perhaps you are thinking of the heroic and noble O' Donovan Rossa?
    No there are many examples I think, but I'm thinking in particular of the planting of a bomb in a crowded shopping centre in Warrington on the Saturday before Mothers day and giving no warning of where the bomb was. No other target available but innocent civilians, in particular children, two of whom were killed.

    Nothing remotely heroic or noble about that. Deeply, deeply, shameful, yes, but heroic or noble, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post

    As for the old IRA... completely different thing altogether...
    They killed 400 civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    No there are many examples I think, but I'm thinking in particular of the planting of a bomb in a crowded shopping centre in Warrington on the Saturday before Mothers day and giving no warning of where the bomb was. No other target available but innocent civilians, in particular children, two of whom were killed.

    Nothing remotely heroic or noble about that. Deeply, deeply, shameful, yes, but heroic or noble, no.
    Excuse me? There were warnings beforehand. As an IRA spokesman said, "You don't provide warnings if it is your intention to kill".

    I do not agree with the campaign in England - be it Thomas J. Clarke or Marian Price's one - but you are getting your facts wrong here. Warrington was a disgrace, that is why it is remembered, and so it should be. But these freak accidents occurred very rarely considering there was a war going on for over 30 years.
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