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    The last of the 20th July Conspirators, Ewald von Kleist has died.

    He took part in the noble but ultimately doomed attempt to assassinate Hitler in July of 1944 and put an end to the war.

    Ewald von Kleist - Telegraph

    Had the conspiracy been successful history might have been utterly changed and the war possibly shortened.

    An interesting interview with him in Der Speigel

    Last of the July 20 Plotters: 'There Will Be Another Hitler Some Day' - SPIEGEL ONLINE

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    He told his father aged 22 that he planned to kill Hitler with a suicide vest. In the event the expected meeting attended by Hitler didn't happen so it had to be called off. RIP.
    Fair and Balanced

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    The world needs more people like this in it. RIP

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    Brave man, had he suceeded his actions might well have helped save millions. R.I.P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upper Chamber View Post
    Brave man, had he suceeded his actions might well have helped save millions. R.I.P.
    Not necessarily.

    With Hitler gone the likes of Bormann, Goering, Himmler, Goebbels and Keitel would have been left twisting in the wind and the likely successors would have been the same leaders of the July plot with Generaloberst Ludwig Beck as President, Carl Friedrich Goerdeler as Chancellor, Generalfeldmarschall Erwin von Witzlebe as C in C of the Wehrmacht and Henning von Tresckow as Chief of Police according to the Valkryie plan put together by Von Stauffenberg in 1943.

    The position of the Germans was more favorable in January 1943 than July 1944 when Von Stauffenberg launched his failed bomb attack that also narrowly killed Hitler.

    This is how things stood in January 1944.



    The Russians were poised to push the Germans out of the Soviet Union and invade Eastern Europe while the Americans and the British were 6 months away from invading Western Europe.

    The Allies had already agreed on the demand for an unconditional surrender while the Third Reich would probably have been torn apart by a civil war between the SS and the German Army. The Eastern Front might have collapsed as Stalin took full advantage and Eastern Europe and all of Germany might have been overrun before the Western Allies could land in France.

    The British and American might found themselves meeting the Soviets on the Rhine rather than at the Elbe with Denmark, the Netherlands, Austria, Northern Italy and Greece also in Soviet hands.
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    I must be honest - while killing Hitler might have helped, we should remember that the reason the conspirators decided to Kill Hitler was because he was losing them the war.

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    The motives of the plotters were mixed. Some hardliners thought he was losing them the war which he indeed was as he was by now completely irrational and seemed hell bent on destroying Germany.

    I think most of them wanted to save Germany. They wanted peace with the Allies after Hitler was dead. The problem was the Russians who wanted to finish the war with the complete destruction of Germany so that it could never again threathen them. The Russians probably wouldn't have cared if Hitler was dead or not, they would have kept fighting all the way to Berlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    I must be honest - while killing Hitler might have helped, we should remember that the reason the conspirators decided to Kill Hitler was because he was losing them the war.
    Well Stauffenberg is supposed to have become a conspirator from the time he heard of the massacres of Jews, according to a documentary about the conspiracy I saw some years back.
    Fair and Balanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Well Stauffenberg is supposed to have become a conspirator from the time he heard of the massacres of Jews, according to a documentary about the conspiracy I saw some years back.
    The attitudes of the German Army officers was not too dissimilar from the attitudes of their predecessors in World War I who also conquered Russia. The likes of Stauffenberg and Von Treskow and other other conspirators did not agree with mass murder but they were still ultra nationalistic, had arrogant aristocratic disdain for conquered peoples like the Poles and Slavs deemed inferior to Germans and were anti-Bolshevik to the hilt.
    If Hitler and the Nazis had never rose to power it is likely there still would have been a right wing militarist regime in Germany though not as fanatical.
    The plan Hitler actually used for the invasion of Russia was a contingency plan drawn up during the Weimer Republic.
    After the defeat in 1918 Germans with or without Hitler would have sought to rebuild their country and become militarily powerful again.
    That still does not take away from the courage of the men who tried and failed to kill Hitler or the heart break that they failed and might have prevented the slaughter that occurred in the last year of the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anewbeginning View Post
    The last of the 20th July Conspirators, Ewald von Kleist has died.

    He took part in the noble but ultimately doomed attempt to assassinate Hitler in July of 1944 and put an end to the war.

    Ewald von Kleist - Telegraph

    Had the conspiracy been successful history might have been utterly changed and the war possibly shortened.

    An interesting interview with him in Der Speigel

    Last of the July 20 Plotters: 'There Will Be Another Hitler Some Day' - SPIEGEL ONLINE
    no one loves a traitor.

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