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    Default German medical specialists to do nixers in Ireland?

    Many German medical specialists to fly to London for a few days at a time to do nixer operations in London hospitals. They are attracted by fees that are very high compared to pay in Germany.I'd read in an international survey that their pay averaged about 70,000 a year, a fraction of the princely pay of 200,000 plus on offer to consultants here in contract negotiations. I wasn't quite sure if I could fully believe the German pay figure until today's Irish Times article by the German ambassador,Christian Pauls "I regret any misunderstandings" roughly confirmed it:

    "...the minister for health's offer of 200,000 per year and a possible additional 20,000 as "Mickey Mouse money". The listeners probably laughed in amazement. It is well known that more than a few senior doctors in German hospitals would be happy to earn one third of the stated amount."

    Maybe hospitals short of medical specialists and with long waiting lists could persuade the Germans to fly an extra hour or two to work in Irish hospitals and clear up the backlogs.

    If Polish plumbers,English executives and French call centre workers are happy to work here,why not German medical specialists? Is there some contractual commitment between the HSE and the Irish medical specialists that prevents this free movement of skills,even though EU doctors are qualified to work across the EU?

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    In light of the current governments proposals to hire 200 Indian and Pakistani doctors your proposal has a lot of merits..

    Indeed the conversational english skills of the German would probably average higher than those from India or Pakistan.

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    Nearly four years between the opening and second posts.

    Must be a record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    Nearly four years between the opening and second posts.

    Must be a record.
    What difference does it make?

    The point is that the current government are intent on hiring 200 Indian/Pakistani doctors to make up for the shameful inadequacy of the Irish health system.

    The OP suggests bringing in EU doctors .

    Which would you prefer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    What difference does it make?

    The point is that the current government are intent on hiring 200 Indian/Pakistani doctors to make up for the shameful inadequacy of the Irish health system.

    The OP suggests bringing in EU doctors .

    Which would you prefer?
    The non-EU doctors (or rather, non western EU doctors) do not necessarily view Ireland as a prime destination. Salaries after tax are comparable, and purchasing power for cost of living is a lot less than most western european countries. Hence, few if any are interested in moving here - after the money, there is a much much worse professional quality of life.

    There is no restriction on movement of doctors or specialists in the EU, and since 2005 any EU specialist is free to automatically be approved for working here either privately or publically (HSE or otherwise).

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    ,why not German medical specialists? Is there some contractual commitment between the HSE and the Irish medical specialists that prevents this free movement of skills,even though EU doctors are qualified to work across the EU?
    a) Ireland is a crap place to work
    b) There is no contractual committment between the HSE and "irish medical specialists"; not even sure how that would even work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frequency View Post
    The non-EU doctors (or rather, non western EU doctors) do not necessarily view Ireland as a prime destination. Salaries after tax are comparable, and purchasing power for cost of living is a lot less than most western european countries. Hence, few if any are interested in moving here - after the money, there is a much much worse professional quality of life.

    There is no restriction on movement of doctors or specialists in the EU, and since 2005 any EU specialist is free to automatically be approved for working here either privately or publically (HSE or otherwise).
    So with cheap flights why cant non Irish EU doctors be persuaded to temporarily assist Irelands shortage?
    It should be possible considering the high salaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    So with cheap flights why cant non Irish EU doctors be persuaded to temporarily assist Irelands shortage?
    It should be possible considering the high salaries.
    There may well be some years between the posts but the basic thrust of the OP is still the same. It could have been written yesterday. If the anecdotal evidence is to be believed we have a hugely dysfunctional health service (aka Angola) staffed by people who have an exaggerated opinion of their "worth" to society.

    However, now we have an individual, responsible in another life for succesfully screwing the taxpayer on behalf of his medical colleagues and who claims to have the inside track on the health service, lets see how long it takes to 'sort it'.

    Or is it a case of betting on how long before a can of red paint is deployed in his direction. I suspect the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skypeme View Post
    There may well be some years between the posts but the basic thrust of the OP is still the same. It could have been written yesterday. If the anecdotal evidence is to be believed we have a hugely dysfunctional health service (aka Angola) staffed by people who have an exaggerated opinion of their "worth" to society.

    However, now we have an individual, responsible in another life for succesfully screwing the taxpayer on behalf of his medical colleagues and who claims to have the inside track on the health service, lets see how long it takes to 'sort it'.

    Or is it a case of betting on how long before a can of red paint is deployed in his direction. I suspect the latter.
    Ireland has 5 medical schools to train doctors.IINM
    I suspect at least 200 graduate per annum from these schools.

    The state having subsidized these doctors to the tune of 60 to 70 grand per annum, permits them to hop off scott free.

    Its time all students receiving high end 3rd level education were indentured to the state for a minimum period of 4 years post qualification to pay back some of the staggering largesse conferred on these people by the taxpayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    Indeed the conversational english skills of the German would probably average higher than those from India or Pakistan.
    Not necessarily - English is an official language in India but a lot of German doctors wouldn't know even the technical medical terms in English. Edit - Germans are rubbish at small talk anyway

    Incidentally, Germany also has problems with shortages of doctors and recently passed legislation enabling employers to advertise outside the EU for doctors without first advertising within the EU or Germany.

    There is obviously something wrong with European education systems where our supposed knowledge economies are not producing enough skilled workers like doctors.

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