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    Default The Independent and the use of Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.

    Reading an article on the story of Luke Ming Flanagan and his penalty points makes it clear that the Indo is a bias piece of thrash.

    The opening line of the article states:
    CONTROVERSIAL politician Luke Ming Flanagan has revealed he has had penalty points wiped from his driving licence twice.
    Why do they open an article with the word controversial, capitalised?

    IMO, this is a deliberate attempt to set the tone early that Ming is not someone to be trusted. It is almost giving the reader the set of mind needed to brand the penalty points issue just another controversial thing this controversial person has done.

    But that is not the worst of it.

    The article decides to pluck something else entirely from Mr. Flanagan's life which is entirely separate from the issue at hand.

    The TD, who has openly admitted to using class A drugs such as cocaine, acid and ecstasy in the past, insisted he never asked for the points to be wiped.
    What the hell has his past drug use have to do with this issue?
    Why don't they do this for all people who have openly taken drugs?

    This is the 'article' in question which was written by Lyndsey Telford:
    'Ming' Flanagan says penalty points quashed twice - Independent.ie

    Again, this article is not about Ming, it is about the use of utterly Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.

    Is this acceptable?

    Rus.
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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    Sure what would you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellach View Post
    Sure what would you expect?

    Some Honest Journ......

    Point taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Why do they open an article with the word controversial, capitalised?
    All major articles in the Indo have the first word capitalised.

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    Listened to an interview on Pravda, after Ming became a TD.

    John Murray went straight to the point and quickly asked Ming about drugs. Ming went on the counter-offenseive.

    Ming said that Irish media journalists are hypocrites. Ming claimed that they many of them write articles about him, and the first thing they mention is his habit of smoking dope. He claimed to know some of them, and that he knew that they take far stronger drugs themselves. In some cases very dangerous substances indeed.

    Murray quickly moved on to the next topic, after that. I reckon he was afraid of a "Nell moment" coming up. Ming was agitated.

    Ming has Dail privelege. Perhaps he might enlighten us as to whom he was exactly talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcameron View Post
    All major articles in the Indo have the first word capitalised.
    Whooosh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Reading an article on the story of Luke Ming Flanagan and his penalty points makes it clear that the Indo is a bias piece of thrash.

    The opening line of the article states:


    Why do they open an article with the word controversial, capitalised?

    IMO, this is a deliberate attempt to set the tone early that Ming is not someone to be trusted. It is almost giving the reader the set of mind needed to brand the penalty points issue just another controversial thing this controversial person has done.

    But that is not the worst of it.

    The article decides to pluck something else entirely from Mr. Flanagan's life which is entirely separate from the issue at hand.



    What the hell has his past drug use have to do with this issue?
    Why don't they do this for all people who have openly taken drugs?

    This is the 'article' in question which was written by Lyndsey Telford:
    'Ming' Flanagan says penalty points quashed twice - Independent.ie

    Again, this article is not about Ming, it is about the use of utterly Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.

    Is this acceptable?

    Rus.
    Has he ever taken drugs? Was his stance on the bogs issue not some kind of parish-pump 'controversial' f#ckwittery? I don't read the Indo, but I doubt anything they said about him got anywhere near what I think of the fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    Has he ever taken drugs? Was his stance on the bogs issue not some kind of parish-pump 'controversial' f#ckwittery? I don't read the Indo, but I doubt anything they said about him got anywhere near what I think of the fool.

    Aye, but whatever we may think of him outside of the issue at hand is irrelevant, is it not?
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Aye, but whatever we may think of him outside of the issue at hand is irrelevant, is it not?
    Hard though it may be to believe, but politician are humans, and I've always believed that humans have to be taken in the round and not piecemeal.

    Do you honestly believe that there is no conflict between Ming's attitude to the law in terms, on the one hand, of conservation or drugs and, on the other, penalty points?
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    The Indo and the Sindo continue hammering away slowly at the coalition on the one hand, and the independents and SF on the other. I can't imagine who the intended beneficiary might be.
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