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    Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

    Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

    Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?

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    Mary Byrd Land would be too near.
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

    Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

    Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?
    Not San Paolo, should be San Pedro at least!

    But, if you go around claiming power in the name of St. Peter it would be a bit of a giveaway at this point to stop doing it in the place assumed to be on top of St. Peter's tomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lempo View Post
    Not San Paolo, should be San Pedro at least!

    But, if you go around claiming power in the name of St. Peter it would be a bit of a giveaway at this point to stop doing it in the place assumed to be on top of St. Peter's assumed tomb.
    They could easily bring the tomb with them.

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    It's a relic of Antiquity. Rome was then the capital of the Roman Empire so logically, they decided to base the Papacy there. However its presence in Rome is also symbolic of a Church stuck in the Dark Ages on doctrinal and moral issues.
    Fair and Balanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    They could easily bring the tomb with them.
    That's the problem: could they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    It's a relic of Antiquity. Rome was then the capital of the Roman Empire so logically, they decided to base the Papacy there. However its presence in Rome is also symbolic of a Church stuck in the Dark Ages on doctrinal and moral issues.
    When's 'then'? It was Emperor Constantine who made Christiany a big deal in the Roman Empire and coincidentally the same guy who moved the capital to Constantinople.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lempo View Post
    When's 'then'? It was Emperor Constantine who made Christiany a big deal in the Roman Empire and coincidentally the same guy who moved the capital to Constantinople.
    Constantinople was created after the Edict of Milan tolerating Christianity.
    Fair and Balanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

    Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

    Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?
    It is likely he didn't visit Rome as the documentary evidence is exactly nothing, except some traditions. However, that's an argument from silence, and that sort of argument is not the wisest basis for any claims. Anyhow, there is a little evidence that Peter had some role in Rome's early Christianity. Brazil's Catholic Church has had to introduce priests who rap and dance (at the same time) to fight Evangelical or Pentecostal Christianity. The Pope would have to ditch the Godly gear and wear a hoodie and trainers instead.

    Also I think the Vatican State does a better job with heritage than the Italian State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Constantinople was created after the Edict of Milan tolerating Christianity.
    It was a genuine question after the assumed year, not a bullish!t call. I didn't bother to look it up myself, that's all. But surely Byzantium was there at the place before already, it was more of a name change?

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