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    Default New study claims Nazi holocaust killed 15 to 20 million.

    A new study by Academics claims the Nazis may have killed up to 20 million people during their short reign of terror in Europe. This figure is far higher than older estimates. The majority of the killings would have occurred in Eastern Europe

    The Nazi Holocaust may have claimed up to 20 million lives, a figure far greater than previous estimates, new research has revealed.
    Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study - Telegraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    A new study by Academics claims the Nazis may have killed up to 20 million people during their short reign of terror in Europe. This figure is far higher than older estimates. The majority of the killings would have occurred in Eastern Europe

    Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study - Telegraph
    Makes a change from people arguing that it was lower than believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Korean View Post
    Makes a change from people arguing that it was lower than believed.
    The interesting thing is that the historical research now going on is reducing the death toll caused by Stalin's communists but the toll killed by the Nazis is increasing rapidly. Uncle Joe maybe was not quite as bad as portrayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    The interesting thing is that the historical research now going on is reducing the death toll caused by Stalin's communists but the toll killed by the Nazis is increasing rapidly. Uncle Joe maybe was not quite as bad as portrayed.
    He was a monster. End of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    The interesting thing is that the historical research now going on is reducing the death toll caused by Stalin's communists but the toll killed by the Nazis is increasing rapidly. Uncle Joe maybe was not quite as bad as portrayed.
    Well, as bad in intent, unless everything is judged by number-crunching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    The interesting thing is that the historical research now going on is reducing the death toll caused by Stalin's communists but the toll killed by the Nazis is increasing rapidly. Uncle Joe maybe was not quite as bad as portrayed.
    Comparing the evils of mass murder on the basis of numbers isn't a very useful exercise. Once a regime engages in it numbers merely reflect things like target density, operational efficiency, and available resources rather than the minds behind it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    He was a monster. End of.
    Boris Yeltsin may have been almost as lethal for Russians as Stalin

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Comparing the evils of mass murder on the basis of numbers isn't a very useful exercise. Once a regime engages in it numbers merely reflect things like target density, operational efficiency, and available resources rather than the minds behind it.
    Indeed, to paraphrase badly, to kill one person is terrible, to kill millions is a statistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacO'velli View Post
    Indeed, to paraphrase badly, to kill one person is terrible, to kill millions is a statistic.
    And once people are statistics, they're statistics, not people any more. Anyway, I can't say I'm surprised by the study - the accepted 11-12m figure was going to be, given the state of research post-war, a conservative estimate reflecting the core camps. That including ancillary and minor facilities adds 50% or so to that core figure is reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Korean View Post
    Makes a change from people arguing that it was lower than believed.
    Not to worry, they will be here soon.
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