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    The recent financial crisis in most of the Western World once more brings up the issues of responsibility, culpability and regulation when it comes to the State, Government, Corporations and businesses.
    The structure and function (at least in theory) of many Western governments allows the citizens of the State to influence governmental policy on issues which affect them now and which may affect them in the future.

    The structure and function of a Corporation is similar to that of a bacteria: Short term gain, with no regard for the future, other entities in the environment (eg humans) or the future of that environment. They are totalitarian, tyrannical institutions, with orders being given at the top and passed further down the chain. In the US, laws have been passed to require corporations to place the interests of their owners above other interests, ie to make as much money as possible.

    It is much cheaper and more effective, in many instances, to use the machinery of the State to carry out actions which would benefit the corporation, eg the protection of oil wells in the Middle East, the socialisation of debt when problems occur, the use of research into areas whose innovations are then basically given back to the corporations. Many of the breakthroughs in recent decades have been down to the use of state machinery to benefit the corporations eg Computers, electronics, the telecommunications sector including the Internet, automation, the use of lasers, the commercial aviation industry, etc etc.

    Corporations gain control of State machinery through the use of government influence, eg outright bribery, lobbying, offering of lucrative jobs to soon to be retiring government ministers. The most important way of influencing the state is through the use of public manipulation- marketing, and more importantly, the media. Many private media outlets, and especially so in the US, are owned by major corporations. Apart from the obvious money-making venture, there are other, clear reasons for this ownership. The funding of election campaigns is also a major influential factor when trying to control governments, although it is used to a lesser extent in Ireland. In the US, elections have been reduced to marketing campaigns. The word 'marketing' is important here. Marketing fundamentally involves misinforming consumers. Presidents are mainly judged on superficialities; false images created through the use of marketing.

    So, in much of the Western World, we have 2 major power systems clashing: The power of people in taking action to affect their present conditions, and more importantly, their own future; and corporations: Ever- growing organisations which may end up destroying this future through their narrow minded outlooks.
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    at least bacteria die if there is no food, what do you call the entropy creating governments that insist on consuming resourses now when they are needed elsewhere. The welfare state is like an intensively farmed lake where production has to rise by the application of insane amount of additives, eventually the lake wil become a poison suir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan2010 View Post
    at least bacteria die if there is no food, what do you call the entropy creating governments that insist on consuming resourses now when they are needed elsewhere. The welfare state is like an intensively farmed lake where production has to rise by the application of insane amount of additives, eventually the lake wil become a poison suir.
    Bacteria are usually limited to a certain environment. So when resources are depleted in that environment, they die. With corporations, they are across the world, depleting all of the world's resources. 2 things will happen- 1.The world's resources will run out, resulting in devastating consequences for corporations, but more importantly, humans. 2. Bacteria produce toxins which harm and can destroy the environment in which they live. Corporations are doing the same and could destroy much of human life through climate change. 1 of these things will happen first.
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    The corporation is the natural follow on to the small business and man's desire for self-actualization. To say the Corporation in evil is to say man is evil.
    I was ready to love the world, but no one understood me, so I learned to hate.
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    In Ireland we had the Ponzi Democrats in power, as IBEC's sentry in the cabinet for a decade.

    How did that work out ?

    It bankrupted Ireland.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james5001 View Post
    Bacteria are usually limited to a certain environment. So when resources are depleted in that environment, they die. With corporations, they are across the world, depleting all of the world's resources. 2 things will happen- 1.The world's resources will run out, resulting in devastating consequences for corporations, but more importantly, humans. 2. Bacteria produce toxins which harm and can destroy the environment in which they live. Corporations are doing the same and could destroy much of human life through climate change. 1 of these things will happen first.
    the anology is probably poor so I wouldnt push it. The state over consumes in the now even when there is no resouces availiable and simply borrows them from the future. in the current depression just about every country is over consuming when the consumer economy should have collapsed. If companies are bacteria the state is out of control cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan2010 View Post
    the anology is probably poor so I wouldnt push it. The state over consumes in the now even when there is no resouces availiable and simply borrows them from the future. in the current depression just about every country is over consuming when the consumer economy should have collapsed. If companies are bacteria the state is out of control cancer.
    The state is controlled to a large extent by corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior of Destiny View Post
    The corporation is the natural follow on to the small business and man's desire for self-actualization. To say the Corporation in evil is to say man is evil.
    Man worries about the long-term future. Corporations, in their structure, do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james5001 View Post
    Man worries about the long-term future. Corporations, in their structure, do not.
    Good point. Humans care about their kids. Corporations have no analogous entities. Unfortunately, neither do "democratic" governments which last 4 or five years and then reset. They are even more short termist.

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    The lamestream media is greased with advertising revenues from corporate entities.

    Just so that you know where the power flows to, the money flows from.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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