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    Default New Iraq study. More than 1.2 million deaths since 2003

    According to a new poll by British company, ORB, more than 1.2 million Iraqis have been murdered since the 2003 Iraq invasion. This about half the previous highest estimate produced by the Lancet in 2006 (although the authors of that report insist that their figure was highly conservative and that it was likely the death toll was higher than their headline figure)

    This is a figure higher than the death toll of the Rwandan genocide and is almost as many as were killed in the Killing fields of Pol Pots Cambodia.

    They also report that more than a million Iraqis have been injured and about 50% of the population have been displaced

    http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_detai ... ?NewsId=78
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    But of course the invasion was carried out to "free" the Iraqi people wasn't it George?
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    Disgusting, now theyre talking about invading Iran because they might make a bomb sometime in the disatant future.

    Id trust Iran with a bomb before i would trust the ones dropping thousands of the things all over the east, and commiting horrorific genocide.
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    Don't blame insurgents for the majority of deaths whatever you do; that would be like factually based and not the result of biased opinion. God forbid.

    Iraq is a mess. But if you guys think that it's America killing thousands of innocent people on purpose you are in a world of your own.
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    But if you guys think that it's America killing thousands of innocent people on purpose you are in a world of your own.
    I agree, but it is unfortunate that these unconnected bad things keep happening everywhere the US bombs. Its almost as if explosives don't create peace and democracy. Who'd have thunk it!

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    How can you quantify how many deaths are the cause of US bombs? I mean when Yugoslavia broke up no one predicted the bloodbath there so who was to know that Iraq qould turn into a blood bath and is that cos the US invaded or cos Saddam went and there was no one to stop each side going mental.

    How many people have died as a result of market place bombs etc.

    So it'sn ot as simple to imply if the US never invaded that Iraq would be some beckon of hope and light and wonderfulness.

    By all means the US has utterly failed to achieve what it claims were its goals in invaded. But as long as Mr Average Joe American still gets cheap gas for the car that's really all that matters.

    We get that but it still doesn't explain why there was a bloodbath?

    Did the Americans make Iraqis turn on each other?

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    Nope. Everyone is agreed that those doing the killing are a combination of Baathists, al-Qaeda in Iraq, and some old-fashioned nationalists. The true moral culpability of the invaders lies in having given ordinary Iraqis the expectation that the coalition forces could protect them after the ouster of Saddam. They have failed in that.

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    There's a lot of US foreign policy that I totally and 100% agree with, but this war is not one of them. And not because it's about control of oil; I agree with them wanting to take control of that. For too many years OPEC and the Arab oil countries raised and lowered prices at will and f**ked up western economies, for no other reason than they could. They weren't content to just sell it. They were practically using oil as a weapon. I disagree with this war because it's about America acting like an empire. This is America deciding what they want and what the Empire wants the empire gets. And as a result over one million people are now dead.

    What's amazing is this US empire has happened so quickly. Up until the late 80s America was seen as the protector of the free world. We were happy to have them come to the world's aid when tyrants were running amok or when the Eastern bloc were flexing their muscles. And I'm glad that Sadam is gone and the world is better off without him. But since the Soviet bloc fell apart and the Berlin wall came down the US seems to have gone from leading and protecting to trying to control. In the case of the Iraq war that doesn't sit right with me. The Iraq war is one piece (probably the only piece) of US foreign policy that I don't agree with
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    Default Re: New Iraq study. More than 1.2 million deaths since 2003

    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia
    According to a new poll by British company, ORB, more than 1.2 million Iraqis have been murdered since the 2003 Iraq invasion. This about half the previous highest estimate produced by the Lancet in 2006 (although the authors of that report insist that their figure was highly conservative and that it was likely the death toll was higher than their headline figure)

    This is a figure higher than the death toll of the Rwandan genocide and is almost as many as were killed in the Killing fields of Pol Pots Cambodia.

    They also report that more than a million Iraqis have been injured and about 50% of the population have been displaced

    http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_detai ... ?NewsId=78
    That figure was based purely on a sample opinion poll of 1499 people.

    If the same opinion poll had been allowed to be carried out under Saddam, the result would have indicated 0.0 million deaths - and be just as valid.

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